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    Sanders speaks for the party. The corporate dems are done, finished. If they fight the new direction of the party then they lose again in 2018 and 2020. A lot of corporate dems will be primaried in the next 2 elections or until we get rid of all the fake democrats.
    I don't know about that. There still is a lot of corporate dems out there. They aren't going to go quietly into the night. Yes progressives have more of a fight in them but they are also going to be the ones targeted by some states with new voter ID laws. So just voting could become difficult for them and I wonder if that causes the corporate dems to win by default, will they care? Will they fight for minorities and students right to vote, if they are the ones trying to primary THEM?? They might just join the GOP in their endeavor of voter id laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Polls actually did have Bernie beating Trump. Perhaps it was Independents who out number either party that accounted for that.

    Bernie Sanders says he polls better against Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton does | PolitiFact

    Seems like the first task is to not drive people away.

    Democrats need to give up this ideological purity stuff, and learn to compromise with, and support each other.
    Another thing I noticed was there are quite a few states with open primaries and others with no party affiliations. So the polls took many of them into account. To blow them off and say they are "Berniebots" (what is that anyway?) or not real democrats could very well have had an effect. As for the ideological purity, I get it but it is going to be hard. The consensus has been now for awhile that the GOP has gone far right and the democrats have chased them to the middle. So now we have a whole new generation of kids who want things addressed like climate change, single payer, tuition assistance, $15 min wage etc and they have no one to take it too. They were told "pie in the sky" by their own party. So in that case the purity issue becomes very real, if your own party stands for none of the things you desire, you no longer want that party. The GOP was no better so its no wonder some went for Stein or the laxness of Johnson. There were no other options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Another thing I noticed was there are quite a few states with open primaries and others with no party affiliations. So the polls took many of them into account. To blow them off and say they are "Berniebots" (what is that anyway?) or not real democrats could very well have had an effect. As for the ideological purity, I get it but it is going to be hard. The consensus has been now for awhile that the GOP has gone far right and the democrats have chased them to the middle. So now we have a whole new generation of kids who want things addressed like climate change, single payer, tuition assistance, $15 min wage etc and they have no one to take it too. They were told "pie in the sky" by their own party. So in that case the purity issue becomes very real, if your own party stands for none of the things you desire, you no longer want that party. The GOP was no better so its no wonder some went for Stein or the laxness of Johnson. There were no other options.
    And thus the petition to get Bernie to head up a new party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    And thus the petition to get Bernie to head up a new party.
    I heard someone associated with Bernie (cant recall the name) who spoke right after the election who said how its time for a new party and that now is the best time to start one. Dems are in chaos and the GOP is as well with Trump even if they wont admit it. Both parties are weak and something new and exciting could gain traction fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I don't know about that. There still is a lot of corporate dems out there. They aren't going to go quietly into the night. Yes progressives have more of a fight in them but they are also going to be the ones targeted by some states with new voter ID laws. So just voting could become difficult for them and I wonder if that causes the corporate dems to win by default, will they care? Will they fight for minorities and students right to vote, if they are the ones trying to primary THEM?? They might just join the GOP in their endeavor of voter id laws.
    May as well. The corporate dems have already given the GOP everything else. Hillary ran on a strategy of catering to suburban republicans. How did that work out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    May as well. The corporate dems have already given the GOP everything else. Hillary ran on a strategy of catering to suburban republicans. How did that work out?
    We will see next week the first part of their plans when we all see who leads the DNC. Then it wont be long until names are bantered about for certain positions. Then we can all see how they will move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    May as well. The corporate dems have already given the GOP everything else. Hillary ran on a strategy of catering to suburban republicans. How did that work out?

    Well, she came close to winning.

    Obviously _more_ was needed. But people like that shouldn't be discounted. When I was one of those people, I helped elected Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Well, she came close to winning.

    Obviously _more_ was needed. But people like that shouldn't be discounted. When I was one of those people, I helped elected Bill.
    I was too but I didn't feel Bill pandered to me. I just liked his message and his gusto. Same with Obama. I just liked what he had to say. I never felt he was looking for my vote specifically. They just happened to appeal to me while they campaigned to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Well, she came close to winning.

    Obviously _more_ was needed. But people like that shouldn't be discounted. When I was one of those people, I helped elected Bill.
    I know quite a few people who lost their house because of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. It makes me mad that I didn't see this coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Yep that election is over and now we need to focus on survival as a society for 4 years. Both Hillary and Bernie gave it a shot and it is done. I don't care about age so much as candidates who are focused on the social issues of our time. Something about spending to relieve suffering of the people being more valuable than spending for war toys wins me every time.
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