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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Actually makes me feel a bit sad to be honest. After growing frustrated with the GOP and unregistering as one, I looked forward to a more opening party that would welcome my input. But no, not any better than the GOP telling newcomers to go sit in the corner and let the elders run the party. Sigh..
    You may just get that the next time,if we can get new people in charge with real concerns for the voters. Nothing will be accomplished if we keep hanging on to th e old.

    I am not trying to be mean when I post,I just understand that we need to change. So let us quit hanging on to the last election and concentrate on 2018. That is coming up fast and may be more important than 2020.

    At the rate Trump is going now those who voted for him will be thinking,what have I done?

    Forget Bernie and Hillary. Move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    You need to go sit in a corner and be quiet while the people who shrunk your party decide what to do next. (I keed, I keed, you know I keed, but some of your fellow Democrats aren't kidding.)
    Amelia, you are not helping. Harping on the past is not solving problems.

    I learned long ago that you can not change the past. God knows with my losses I wish I could.

    But you either wallow in your sorrow,or pick yourself up and move on.

    Maybe you do not want to read what I post,but this is life,the real one. Time to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    The times, they are a changing. Either we change with them, or become irrelevant.
    That I agree with,Labrea. So why the constant harping on Bernie? You do not see me going on about Hillary. She lost,so did Bernie. I want change in the party. Real change, not taped over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Amelia, you are not helping. Harping on the past is not solving problems.

    I learned long ago that you can not change the past. God knows with my losses I wish I could.

    But you either wallow in your sorrow,or pick yourself up and move on.

    Maybe you do not want to read what I post,but this is life,the real one. Time to move on.
    I hope you take that to heart. You and others harassing me about my vote is getting old. Time to move on.

    I never claimed to be a Democrat. And I never lied about who I was.

    I share my thoughts about why the Democratic party didn't win me over at all for a long time, and hasn't yet won me over fully. And people like you say they don't want to hear it.


    So you move on.

    Go figure out who it is that you want to bring into your party since you don't want people like me or Bajisima, and even Clinton voters such as Labrea merit rudeness when they say they like Bernie.

    Your party is shrinking, and yet you don't want to hear from people with their foot halfway in the door, wondering if they should stick around or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I heard someone associated with Bernie (cant recall the name) who spoke right after the election who said how its time for a new party and that now is the best time to start one. Dems are in chaos and the GOP is as well with Trump even if they wont admit it. Both parties are weak and something new and exciting could gain traction fast.
    Just keep in mind how we got into this fix in the first place. The Gopers have been primarying the heck out of their districts. You couldn't be just an R, but a Tee-peeer kind of R. Then they amassed all those R's into majorities in the house and senate. Too bad D's, you're still fooling around with libtarians and greens and you're still out numbered. Feel like the Apaches now?

    Like it or not, D's and R's are what we have now, that's it.

    Guess what? R's now RULE. They even got a clown elected as POTUS.

    Simple math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic View Post
    Just keep in mind how we got into this fix in the first place. The Gopers have been primarying the heck out of their districts. You couldn't be just an R, but a Tee-peeer kind of R. Then they amassed all those R's into majorities in the house and senate. Too bad D's, you're still fooling around with libtarians and greens and you're still out numbered. Feel like the Apaches now?

    Like it or not, D's and R's are what we have now, that's it.

    Guess what? R's now RULE. They even got a clown elected as POTUS.

    Simple math.

    The math is not simple. There were millions more left-leaning voters in 2016 than there were right-leaning voters. Trump squeaked with a few tens of thousands of votes in a few unexpected states which Democrats could have won had they invested a little more time and resources in the states.

    The math is not simple at all.

    With the large percentages of people who disliked both party nominees last year it was a crap shoot. A nearly random roll of the dice which Democrats happened to lose. It's still a crap shoot going forward. Republicans are failing to come together around legislative goals. Trump is flailing. And people are still hovering on the cusp, waiting to see if there's anyone who is willing to represent them. We are in limbo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I hope you take that to heart. You and others harassing me about my vote is getting old. Time to move on.

    I never claimed to be a Democrat. And I never lied about who I was.

    I share my thoughts about why the Democratic party didn't win me over at all for a long time, and hasn't yet won me over fully. And people like you say they don't want to hear it.


    So you move on.

    Go figure out who it is that you want to bring into your party since you don't want people like me or Bajisima, and even Clinton voters such as Labrea merit rudeness when they say they like Bernie.

    Your party is shrinking, and yet you don't want to hear from people with their foot halfway in the door, wondering if they should stick around or not.
    You call the truth harassing? You may not like what I said but it is fact.

    You said you voted for all Democrats but Hillary. Am I right? Correct me if I am wrong. You helped Trump win.

    There is nothing more to say. You are welcome to put me on ignore,fine with me, but keep in mind not all posts are about you. Or attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic View Post
    Just keep in mind how we got into this fix in the first place. The Gopers have been primarying the heck out of their districts. You couldn't be just an R, but a Tee-peeer kind of R. Then they amassed all those R's into majorities in the house and senate. Too bad D's, you're still fooling around with libtarians and greens and you're still out numbered. Feel like the Apaches now?

    Like it or not, D's and R's are what we have now, that's it.

    Guess what? R's now RULE. They even got a clown elected as POTUS.

    Simple math.
    Perfect summation.

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    BY TOM O'CONNOR @SHAOLINTOM ON 02/15/17 AT 9:51 AM

    Sen. Bernie Sanders dismissed Sunday a campaign attempting to persuade the influential Vermont lawmaker to establish his own left-wing political party reflecting his supporters who have rejected the ideals of Republicans and Democrats.

    The initiative, called Draft Bernie for a People's Party, was conceived Thursday by supporters and former staffers of Sanders. It had received over 14,400 signatures nearly a week later. The campaign's official website contained a two-tier plan to challenge both Democrats and Republicans in districts throughout the country by 2018 and a presidential campaign in 2020, based on a "21st-century progressive national consensus." Sanders responded, however, by saying he would prefer his supporters focus on revising the Democratic Party.

    "Right now I am working to bring fundamental reform to the Democratic Party, to open the doors of the Democratic Party to working people, to lower-income people, to young people who have not felt welcome in the embrace of the Democratic Party, " Sanders said in an interview with NBC News' Meet the Press.

    What's Next For Bernie Sanders? Vermont Senator Rejects 'People's Party' Campaign, Calls For Democratic Party Reform
    I'm a Bernie supporter, also a Democratic Party supporter from the position of being an Independent. Third parties are great, IF there is an exceptional and overwhelmingly popular person they are built around. Anyone can review history to see the last time a third party candidate came close to winning the hearts of most Americans in a run for President. It is not that it has not happened, but the results of the 2016 election where nearly 97% of incumbents were reelected, at the same time Americans were giving Congress dismal ratings says something about how far, in spite of our talk of disgust with the "status quo" we are willing to step away from it. Is life really that terrible? Is the status quo really to blame for what we keep saying ails us? Is it really Washington or something else, that we are angry and impatient with or is it merely the "status quo" of the opposition that we mean to blame while we like "our guys" and want to stick with them.

    Despite being a Bernie supporter, I never thought he could win the general election, even if he won the primary and the general election in some ways, bore that out. Many of those who claimed he was their love, their guy, abandoned his recommendation for who to vote for in the general and the reasons why. Too many Independent and Democratic Bernie supporters focused too much on the idea (the seeds of which were nurtured by whom and what?) that the DNC gave Bernie a bad rap (Didn't bother Bernie as much as it did them), instead of getting behind him, and voting for who he recommended his supporters vote for and why. They spend much of the latter part of the campaign bashing the DNC and HRC (with the planned intent by those purposefully promoting (propagandizing) that idea, working?), instead of getting behind both Bernie and HRC and their mostly the same ideology to defeat the total opposite ideology of Trump and company.

    Yes, one can talk themselves into the notion that the DNC cheated Bernie out of a primary win or they can look at the choices the DNC had to face, especially with regard to Bernie, who has spent much of his career in a love/hate relationship with Democrats, mostly criticizing them for not being liberal enough and at one time stating he could never become a Democrat. In that regard, Bernie did what the DNC "did" to him, to himself and Bernie knew that and was not going to make a thing of it, because he knew that.

    While there are factions in both the main two parties and Independents (Libertarian is much closer to "conservative"/neo/tea/Trump than Bernie Sanders Independent ideology) that want to move their parties more towards their polar extremes, I believe there is a faction that may be larger than any of the other ones, that want moderation and a balance between the two extremes and only to remove the corruption, lack of compassion, lack of empathy, division and disunity.

    Increasingly, during Presidential campaign seasons especially, everything not only becomes viewed through partisan division lens and made political, even if it is absurd to do so (no basis for politicizing it) and exaggerated to either bring favor or disfavor upon the candidates and anything they stand for. We appear to have gotten away from thoughtful analysis of accepted facts to the suggestion that anything that could be a negative for our partisan views, is deemed to be lies, (dishonest) "fake", whether it is true or not and instead of people searching for what's closest to the truth they simply take their party line and run with it.

    Whether it is bias or plain unadulterated observation or not, I cannot say and in this day and age, if any does not like my opinion, they'll simply dismiss it and that is fine, but we all treat everything from a subjective view point (true if we like what it says, lies if we don't) , then nothing really has true meaning, it is simply deluding ourselves to make the "world" and "truth" fit us, not dealing with reality. It is perhaps a mental sort of opiate that gives us unsupported "pleasure" or "safety" in a false reality and because it seems to "work" to help us escape reality (until it all comes tumbling down and reality can no longer be locked out) we keep coming back for more of the delusion about the truth.

    The Trump administration seems to be a test for the heart and soul of America and its ability to seek and accept real truth or continue to deny the real truth because it's not what we want to hear and can be painful.

    One might see how those disillusioned with what those they have been directed to believe are the cause of all their woes and latch on to believing someone who tells them he/she is "different". Those who still retain their thoughtfulness and thought process even in their disillusionment and despair over some aspects of life, might see something hopeful in someone that comes along and says they are "different", but because they have not put aside their thoughtfulness (thought) process, they are going to begin asking all kinds of questions that seem natural to them. One of the first being, why should we believe someone who tells us they are different, especially by most accounts, they look more like what we have been perceiving to be the problem, than the solution.

    Bernie represents some truly great concepts and acts as an ethics hound, working to keep his fellow members of Congress as honest as any single person might. He is perhaps more effective in Congress as an Independent than as a President. Many of his great concepts need some serious thought as to how they would, in reality, be accomplished and based on the attitude of some in this nation about "socialism" (by their equating it to communism), it is unlikely he would get much of anything, but stonewalling, from Congress as President. In his current office, he is more likely to persuade fellow members of Congress towards his position than he would as President and as anyone can see, from Bernie's 25 years in Congress, that one person, while remaining a good voice and conscience, does not have the power to do a whole lot. It is unifying into a body that can actually cause change, that will be the way to implement anyone's (including Bernie's) ideologies and actual programs.

    Untied they stand, divided they fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    The math is not simple. There were millions more left-leaning voters in 2016 than there were right-leaning voters. Trump squeaked with a few tens of thousands of votes in a few unexpected states which Democrats could have won had they invested a little more time and resources in the states.

    The math is not simple at all.

    With the large percentages of people who disliked both party nominees last year it was a crap shoot. A nearly random roll of the dice which Democrats happened to lose. It's still a crap shoot going forward. Republicans are failing to come together around legislative goals. Trump is flailing. And people are still hovering on the cusp, waiting to see if there's anyone who is willing to represent them. We are in limbo.
    Well, I was mostly refering to our congress and the all the red state legislatures.

    I added up the R's and the D's and didn't see any L's or G's and just a few I's. The R's have majorities everywhere and it isn't even close most places. Simple enough.

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