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    Quote Originally Posted by nic View Post
    Well, I was mostly refering to our congress and the all the red state legislatures.

    I added up the R's and the D's and didn't see any L's or G's and just a few I's. The R's have majorities everywhere and it isn't even close most places. Simple enough.
    The numbers are pretty much opposite of what Democrats had in 2008, except Democrats still have millions more voters and more coherent policy ideas.

    Only took Republicans 8 years to swing the numbers the other way without coherent policy ideas.

    No reason to think Democrats can't pull it off in the other direction once they convince the downtrodden that they're listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    You call the truth harassing? You may not like what I said but it is fact.

    You said you voted for all Democrats but Hillary. Am I right? Correct me if I am wrong. You helped Trump win.

    There is nothing more to say. You are welcome to put me on ignore,fine with me, but keep in mind not all posts are about you. Or attacks.

    In other words your "move on" advice applies to others and not you.

    As someone who voted for all Democrats except Hillary I put my vote where my mouth is -- I have been telling Democrats how much I like MUCH of what they stand for and that I am someone they could win over.

    But Democrats' message to me on this forum is that I'm not needed.

    So good luck finding people who you do "need" who are willing to join your party's dwindling numbers while accepting the "we don't want to hear from you" terms that they're getting from those who picked a candidate who didn't even inspire the base to get out to vote for her.

    Hillary and the DNC couldn't get Obama voters out for Hillary in Milwaukee. THAT is where they lost the race. I was a Republican vote in 2012 who didn't go for the Republican in 2016, so my vote was a net gain for Democrats. Only they didn't do the basics and get their own Democratic base out.

    Sorry, all the Democrats I voted for lost here. If I had switched my vote to Hillary, then that would have been just one more losing Democrat that I voted for, because Democrats didn't do the most basic things they needed to do to win the election.

    But do enjoy your shrinking party.

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    *Sheesh*

    It's like Democrats don't want people to vote for them.

    I'm one of the most positive people on this site about Democrats' strengths and electoral chances going forward. I don't demand Democrats relitigate the primaries. I don't demand Democrats admit that it was wrong to choose Hillary before I root for them.

    I say Democrats have all the ingredients they need to seize the day and start making consistent progress, that it's just a matter of them following through on what they're already saying they need to do.


    And still I'm considered a good punching bag for frustrated Democrats looking for someone to blame instead of looking for a way to grow their party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    That I agree with,Labrea. So why the constant harping on Bernie? You do not see me going on about Hillary. She lost,so did Bernie. I want change in the party. Real change, not taped over.
    But Bernie is still very relevant as he is still a senator and he has just begun a large organization to elect progressives all over the country. He is busy raising money and getting ready to get out there and campaign for newcomers next year. That's very relevant because if Keith Ellison becomes head of the DNC, he and Sanders will undoubtedly be leading the way for progressives. So he is still quite relevant for the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic View Post
    Just keep in mind how we got into this fix in the first place. The Gopers have been primarying the heck out of their districts. You couldn't be just an R, but a Tee-peeer kind of R. Then they amassed all those R's into majorities in the house and senate. Too bad D's, you're still fooling around with libtarians and greens and you're still out numbered. Feel like the Apaches now?

    Like it or not, D's and R's are what we have now, that's it.

    Guess what? R's now RULE. They even got a clown elected as POTUS.

    Simple math.
    Except here is the catch. 14 million democrats went out and re-registered as independents after the election because they are angry. Trump is sure to anger a massive chunk of republicans. If there was somebody out there with a great message you don't think they could at least have a chance?

    "Since the presidential election, there has been a remarkable exodus from the Democratic Party. More than 14 million people have left and become independents. That represents a loss of nearly 20 percent of the party’s following from early November. The number of Democrats has fallen to a historic low. So low that Republicans now outnumber Democrats in a progressive country."

    Sanders? Campaign Staff, Delegates, And Volunteers Launch 'Draft Bernie For A People?s Party' | The Huffington Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Polls actually did have Bernie beating Trump. Perhaps it was Independents who out number either party that accounted for that.

    Bernie Sanders says he polls better against Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton does | PolitiFact

    Seems like the first task is to not drive people away.

    Democrats need to give up this ideological purity stuff, and learn to compromise with, and support each other.
    The dems problem isnt about ideological purity..its just plain corruption, they are working for the same people that the repubs are, each party brands different, but if you watch what they do carefully, you see that no matter which party is in power...the course is on the same track and continues on that same track. The 2 party bit is an illusion, you have a new sort of coup thats played out...the secret corporate coup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    The numbers are pretty much opposite of what Democrats had in 2008, except Democrats still have millions more voters and more coherent policy ideas.

    Only took Republicans 8 years to swing the numbers the other way without coherent policy ideas.

    No reason to think Democrats can't pull it off in the other direction once they convince the downtrodden that they're listening.
    Yeah, but then they would have to listen, and stop telling the peeps to shut up, and get in line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    But Bernie is still very relevant as he is still a senator and he has just begun a large organization to elect progressives all over the country. He is busy raising money and getting ready to get out there and campaign for newcomers next year. That's very relevant because if Keith Ellison becomes head of the DNC, he and Sanders will undoubtedly be leading the way for progressives. So he is still quite relevant for the future.
    Exactly! Bernie lost, but he isn't done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Yeah, but then they would have to listen, and stop telling the peeps to shut up, and get in line.
    Well, yeah.
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