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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Geedubya for sure. The war in Iraq was a total fuckup, and one didn't need to be a strategist to figure that one out before the war. I knew he'd turn it into a country wracked by civil war. I don't care whether congress voted for it or not, as he ignored the UN and the testimony of Hans Blix. Bush wanted that war, he was champing at the bit for it, and he was going to get it one way or another.

    His 'if you're not with us, you're against us' rhetoric after 9/11 was OTT; obviously he'd never heard of 'neutral'.

    Nothing Obama did eclipses that fuckup in the ME.
    More civilians were killed during Obama's term than Bush's who FUed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Geedubya for sure. The war in Iraq was a total fuckup, and one didn't need to be a strategist to figure that one out before the war. I knew he'd turn it into a country wracked by civil war. I don't care whether congress voted for it or not, as he ignored the UN and the testimony of Hans Blix. Bush wanted that war, he was champing at the bit for it, and he was going to get it one way or another.

    His 'if you're not with us, you're against us' rhetoric after 9/11 was OTT; obviously he'd never heard of 'neutral'.

    Nothing Obama did eclipses that fuckup in the ME.
    More civilians were killed during Obama's term than Bush's and more US Troops died under Obama's leadership. who FUed+

    US Troop Deaths in Afghan War Under Obama Now Twice That Under Bush | Just Foreign Policy

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    It is an insult to thinking individuals to put President Obama in the same sentence as Bush 2. Obama was a fantastic President. His legacy will survive Trump. Historians agree, he is already considered as one of the best in history. Apparently, a black man has to do more than just be intelligent, articulate, reasoned and accomplished. The bar for some is skin deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    It is an insult to thinking individuals to put President Obama in the same sentence as Bush 2. Obama was a fantastic President. His legacy will survive Trump. Historians agree, he is already considered as one of the best in history. Apparently, a black man has to do more than just be intelligent, articulate, reasoned and accomplished. The bar for some is skin deep.
    obama was the 2 and 3rd term of Ws 2nd term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    obama was the 2 and 3rd term of Ws 2nd term.
    If you believe that then there is no further point in responding to you. One of the things I have learned over the years online is that some people are just not worth engaging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Way too early to tell. Personally, I think both were somewhere above average. Presidents are a lot like quarterbacks in that they get way too much credit for the good and way too much blame for the bad.
    Funny...I somewhat agree...But I see it like this, Presidents take too much credit for things they had no bearing on, no part of, no hand in...and they take zero responsibility for those mistakes they are responsible for - especially if it's before they run for another term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Bonsai was terrible. He created a war to make his dad happy. He acted as if 9/11 was an accidental attack when he knew perfectly well from his PDB's that it was imminent. The economy was destroyed by his use of Saint RAY GOONS economic model.
    Strawman Bush hatred arguments number 3, 457, and 569.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    It is an insult to thinking individuals to put President Obama in the same sentence as Bush 2. Obama was a fantastic President. His legacy will survive Trump. Historians agree, he is already considered as one of the best in history. Apparently, a black man has to do more than just be intelligent, articulate, reasoned and accomplished. The bar for some is skin deep.
    There's no real history yet...it's still current events.

    Obama was the worst President this nation has ever endured. Bush was the first to stand up to terrorism and say enough!, country first...even if that was political suicide, no way no how a liberal President would place principles above politics. Obama proved that with every stinking move he made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    The left, like the right, doesn't think one particular thing. Individuals think individually.
    The left does think one particular thing...POLITICS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    But hillary and reid and Dachele and John Kerry would have handled it the same way. (Remember only congress can send troops to war) all voted YES directing the president to go to war with Iraq.
    So the worst foreign policy decision this country ever made wasn't Bush's fault.

    Sure thing.

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