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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Reported. You are back to trolling me and claiming I am conducting some sort of subversive campaign of promoting fascism under cover of promoting progressivism.

    IOW, you are insulting me.

    Back to ignore, as well.
    Are you denying you are a Republican?

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    The democratic party is in disarray right now, similar to the republican party after Obama was elected.

    Unfortunately for the democrats they don't have a back-up in waiting like the Tea Party so it may take them longer to find their way but it's obvious the status quo no longer will do. We are kind of waiting to see which group rises to the top to replace the far left liberalism that runs the democrats now.

    Most of my colleagues are assuming the big change will come between 2018 and 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Are you denying you are a Republican?
    She goes both ways.

    I have seen her defend viewpoints on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Are you denying you are a Republican?
    I am not. I registered as a Democrat last year so I could vote out my DA, as here in Cleveland, the primary is all that matters for local offices. I would not re-register as a Republican now for all the tea in China. It'd be hard to imagine a more loathsome public reputation to have than as someone who shares Trump's ideas.

    There's a movement here in Cleveland to start a Progressive Party, but it's not an actual third party for purposes of registering to vote at this time. I guess I am an independent for now.

    Since we have closed primaries, I have no idea whether this is where things will remain for me, but probably so.

    I think the GOP that I once supported is dead and buried, killed by the Religious Right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.


    The traditional, 20th century view of the Democratic Party is that they were the party of the working man and the poor. They favored civil rights, unions, fair play in the financial sector, environmental protection and science/separation of church and state.

    Is that view still valid? It seems to me that the Democrats lost their way during the Reagan era, and decided they had to "court the moderates and independents" or else they'd never be in power again. Clinton's campaign in 1992 was even more anti-minority and anti-poor than anything any Republican POTUS candidate had run before. "End Welfare", minimum sentencing laws, repeal regulations on Wall Street, etc.

    None of these are even remotely intended to favor the working man or the poor. They are obviously harmful ideas and once enacted, they were extremely harmful policies from the POV of the traditional Democratic party voter.

    So, after the Democrats rejected Bernie Sanders as their candidate for "being too extreme" and "promoting socialism", where is the party's compass headed now?

    This moment in time is a perfect opportunity to educate the American voter on why universal care is best for most of us. Instead, Democrats in Congress and elsewhere are frantically trying to protect the POS corporate welfare program known as Obamacare.

    They rejected Bernie's choice for DNC Chair.

    They aren't behind any progressive ideas anymore now than they have been for the last 50 years, IMO.

    I see very little difference between the GOP's policies and those of the Democratic Party, ideologically. Both put the interests of the 0.01% above all else.

    So, my question is: has the Democratic Party outlived its useful life? Should we forget about trying to rehab them and work on building the Progressive party instead?

    Your thoughts?


    @MaryAnne
    President Clinton knew some of the Social problems had gone too far. That is why he worked with Newt Gingrich to reform welfare,making work very much a part. They also limited the time people could be on welfare to 3 years.

    NAFTA was wrong, but I just found out recently that was a GHW Bush. Clinton just signed it. That was a mistake.

    I do think Democrats wasted too much time and effort on Special Interests,neglecting the average worker. That will change.

    Perez was the Labor Secretary. He implemented many good changes.

    DWS and her flunkies in the DNC starved the State Parties. She was an utter failure.

    Perez,his deputy,along with Howard Dean,who really built the party,along with President Obama will rebuild the State parties.

    There will be major changes from the ground up. Terry McAllife did the same thing. Even Reibus had to rebuild the RNC?

    There will be much more concentration on the average voter.

    The scare tactics about the ACA cost many Democratic seats.isn't it strange now,people are scared to death of losing their ACA?

    And,I am quite happy Democrats rejected Bernie's choice. Maybe now,he will shut up and go away. Only the media is propping him up now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    President Clinton knew some of the Social problems had gone too far. That is why he worked with Newt Gingrich to reform welfare,making work very much a part. They also limited the time people could be on welfare to 3 years.

    NAFTA was wrong, but I just found out recently that was a GHW Bush. Clinton just signed it. That was a mistake.

    I do think Democrats wasted too much time and effort on Special Interests,neglecting the average worker. That will change.

    Perez was the Labor Secretary. He implemented many good changes.

    DWS and her flunkies in the DNC starved the State Parties. She was an utter failure.

    Perez,his deputy,along with Howard Dean,who really built the party,along with President Obama will rebuild the State parties.

    There will be major changes from the ground up. Terry McAllife did the same thing. Even Reibus had to rebuild the RNC?

    There will be much more concentration on the average voter.

    The scare tactics about the ACA cost many Democratic seats.isn't it strange now,people are scared to death of losing their ACA?

    And,I am quite happy Democrats rejected Bernie's choice. Maybe now,he will shut up and go away. Only the media is propping him up now.
    IDC what becomes of Bernie. I care about the future of the country. It's the results that matter, not some stupid cult of personality.

    If you STILL can't get behind the idea of universal care, then IMO, you aren't even a liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I am not. I registered as a Democrat last year so I could vote out my DA, as here in Cleveland, the primary is all that matters for local offices. I would not re-register as a Republican now for all the tea in China. It'd be hard to imagine a more loathsome public reputation to have than as someone who shares Trump's ideas.

    There's a movement here in Cleveland to start a Progressive Party, but it's not an actual third party for purposes of registering to vote at this time. I guess I am an independent for now.

    Since we have closed primaries, I have no idea whether this is where things will remain for me, but probably so.

    I think the GOP that I once supported is dead and buried, killed by the Religious Right.
    Yes,I remember you said you registered Democrat, but also know you did not vote for the winner,even after Bernie asked his followers to.

    You helped elect Trump. You mentioned Blue Dogs. That is a Blue Dog.

    Democrats make mistakes,but I know what they have done for the average person.we would have had single payer if not for Republicans and a couple of turn coat Democrats. Both parties rejected Leiberman. He has now joined no Labels. I thought they would be good until I found Leiberman had joined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    IDC what becomes of Bernie. I care about the future of the country. It's the results that matter, not some stupid cult of personality.

    If you STILL can't get behind the idea of universal care, then IMO, you aren't even a liberal.

    When have I ever been against Universal health care? Good Lord I am for a Medicare plan for all! Something Democrats have wanted for years!

    I see California is setting up their own single payer! If I were not already on Medicare I might move to California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I am not. I registered as a Democrat last year so I could vote out my DA, as here in Cleveland, the primary is all that matters for local offices. I would not re-register as a Republican now for all the tea in China. It'd be hard to imagine a more loathsome public reputation to have than as someone who shares Trump's ideas.

    There's a movement here in Cleveland to start a Progressive Party, but it's not an actual third party for purposes of registering to vote at this time. I guess I am an independent for now.

    Since we have closed primaries, I have no idea whether this is where things will remain for me, but probably so.

    I think the GOP that I once supported is dead and buried, killed by the Religious Right.
    Sorry Madeline, but as a fellow free thinker, you will never have a home amongst the partisan followers on this site. Most will use you when you agree and reject you when you don't, but they will always toe their party's line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Yes,I remember you said you registered Democrat, but also know you did not vote for the winner,even after Bernie asked his followers to.

    You helped elect Trump. You mentioned Blue Dogs. That is a Blue Dog.

    Democrats make mistakes,but I know what they have done for the average person.we would have had single payer if not for Republicans and a couple of turn coat Democrats. Both parties rejected Leiberman. He has now joined no Labels. I thought they would be good until I found Leiberman had joined.
    If HRC III had won, we'd already be fighting WW III.

    It is a BIG FAT LIE that Democrats EVER made ANY effort to install universal care. Hillarycare circa 1992 is EXACTLY like Obamacare, and BOTH are nothing but corporate welfare.

    And they still aren't fighting for universal care now. Why not?

    If winning is all that matters to Democrats, they are useless. That approach makes it all about the politicians and their careers and not one bit about the working man and the poor.

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