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    What Is The Democratic Party Agenda?

    He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.


    The traditional, 20th century view of the Democratic Party is that they were the party of the working man and the poor. They favored civil rights, unions, fair play in the financial sector, environmental protection and science/separation of church and state.

    Is that view still valid? It seems to me that the Democrats lost their way during the Reagan era, and decided they had to "court the moderates and independents" or else they'd never be in power again. Clinton's campaign in 1992 was even more anti-minority and anti-poor than anything any Republican POTUS candidate had run before. "End Welfare", minimum sentencing laws, repeal regulations on Wall Street, etc.

    None of these are even remotely intended to favor the working man or the poor. They are obviously harmful ideas and once enacted, they were extremely harmful policies from the POV of the traditional Democratic party voter.

    So, after the Democrats rejected Bernie Sanders as their candidate for "being too extreme" and "promoting socialism", where is the party's compass headed now?

    This moment in time is a perfect opportunity to educate the American voter on why universal care is best for most of us. Instead, Democrats in Congress and elsewhere are frantically trying to protect the POS corporate welfare program known as Obamacare.

    They rejected Bernie's choice for DNC Chair.

    They aren't behind any progressive ideas anymore now than they have been for the last 50 years, IMO.

    I see very little difference between the GOP's policies and those of the Democratic Party, ideologically. Both put the interests of the 0.01% above all else.

    So, my question is: has the Democratic Party outlived its useful life? Should we forget about trying to rehab them and work on building the Progressive party instead?

    Your thoughts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.


    The traditional, 20th century view of the Democratic Party is that they were the party of the working man and the poor. They favored civil rights, unions, fair play in the financial sector, environmental protection and science/separation of church and state.

    Is that view still valid?
    Sure it is. That said, you needn't worry your little head about it, since you are a Republican.

    She who stands for a misogynistic sexual predator will vote for Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Sure it is. That said, you needn't worry your little head about it, since you are a Republican.

    She who stands for a misogynistic sexual predator will vote for Trump.
    Reported. You are back to trolling me and claiming I am conducting some sort of subversive campaign of promoting fascism under cover of promoting progressivism.

    IOW, you are insulting me.

    Back to ignore, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
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    They aren't behind any progressive ideas anymore now than they have been for the last 50 years, IMO.


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    In at least some ways, they're more progressive than they were in Bill Clinton's time.

    They're responding rationally to changing science, and changing data, such as data about incarceration.

    They're fine. It really HAS been a messaging problem, and too little faith in the people they need to have helping them to make it all work. But they're still more or less fine. They have voter numbers and demographics on their side. They just got really really detached and condescending, and got a big lesson about that. They can't help learn that lesson this time, for the near future. In spite of them still clinging to big donors, they seem to more or less understand where they lost touch and are saying the right things about fixing it.
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    Perez is very progressive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    you are insulting me.
    I did accuse you of being a Republican, but is that really an insult, when it's the obvious truth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Perez is very progressive...
    Fabulous. Glad to hear it.

    When does he plan to roll out the party's campaign to provide universal care? Is free college a core Democratic Party platform now? Will he help candidates and politicians work to repeal the drug laws?

    Good intentions alone are not enough, OldGaffer. The party has to actually get out in front and lead on progressive ideas, or it is useless in any effort to achieve them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Fabulous. Glad to hear it.

    When does he plan to roll out the party's campaign to provide universal care? Is free college a core Democratic Party platform now? Will he help candidates and politicians work to repeal the drug laws?

    Good intentions alone are not enough, OldGaffer. The party has to actually get out in front and lead on progressive ideas, or it is useless in any effort to achieve them.

    Let's take them one at a time, first his stance on healthcare:

    ObamaCare is an important part of anti-poverty efforts
    Martin Luther King once said that "of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane." And so the Affordable Care Act is also an important part of our anti-poverty efforts. Notwithstanding the frustration many Americans have experienced with healthcare.gov, the fact remains that the ACA is more than a website--it is affordable, quality health insurance for everyone. It is already making a difference in so many lives--young people who can stay on their parents' plan until they're 26, seniors who have access to more affordable prescription drugs, and more. The glitches will be worked out--tech experts are working on it as we speak--and millions of Americans will be able to reap the benefits of this landmark law.
    Source: Remarks at the Half in Ten Anti-Poverty Report Release , Oct 29, 2013
    Healthcare was not his wheelhouse, but he is strongly in favor of the ACA.

    Education:

    As the Sec of Labor, he was more focused on technical training.

    Focus on CTE: career technical education
    Sec. Perez explained in the not-so-distant past, "We as a nation devalued, over a series of decades, career technical education, we called it 'shop'. Today's CTE is so different and we have an opportunity in Congress this year to reauthorize the Perkins Act, which is the opportunity to rethink, reimagine and reinvent career and technical education," said Perez.
    With a new focus on career technical education, Perez said "opportunities abound." According to Perez, career technical education and apprenticeship combined are leading individuals to acquire IT skills "because those are the skills for tomorrow."
    In reimagining CTE, Perez said the Labor Department is working with the Department of Education to bring forth the Workforce Innovation & Opportunity Act as the reauthorization of the job training program.
    "We are helping people from cradle through career make sure that not only do they have the skills to compete for today, but they have the capacity to adjust to tomorrow," Perez said.
    No stances on record on drugs and crime.

    Environment:

    We're here today to advance a very basic principle: you shouldn't have to sacrifice your life for your livelihood. No one should have to die for a paycheck. And yet, that's been exactly the fate of more than 76,000 miners who have died at least in part because of black lung since 1968. That's five miners each and every day.
    We're here today to say: Enough. We have the tools to do something about this devastating but preventable disease. It's time to muster the will to do it. The nation made a promise to American miners when we passed the Coal Act in 1969--at long last, we're making good on that promise.
    Today's rule will save lives. It will reduce the amount of unhealthy coal dust that miners breathe into their lungs; it will make use of cutting-edge technology to better measure dust levels; it requires mine operators to fix unhealthy dust levels when they find them--not days or weeks later; and it expands the medical surveillance program to improve early detection of black lung.
    Energy:

    Promote SolarCity manufacturing solar panels
    Perez appeared proud of his Western New York roots, and he says he's rooting for the Western New York economy. He described how he has a Ph.D. in "Buffalonomics."
    "I'm bullish on Buffalo," he said, noting the progress at the medical campus, the waterfront and at the Riverbend site, where SolarCity will eventually manufacture solar panels.
    "What Buffalo taught me is the experience of real people with a great heart and an incredible drive, many of whom got kicked to the curb through no fault of their own, and the resilience of the Buffalo spirit, the City of Good Neighbors, coming together," Perez said.
    Here, check his stances yourself:

    Thomas Perez on the Issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Let's take them one at a time, first his stance on healthcare:



    Healthcare was not his wheelhouse, but he is strongly in favor of the ACA.

    Education:

    As the Sec of Labor, he was more focused on technical training.



    No stances on record on drugs and crime.

    Environment:



    Energy:



    Here, check his stances yourself:

    Thomas Perez on the Issues
    I guess we would have to agree on what the litmus test is for progressive ideas.

    Universal care, immigration reform, free college, free childcare, living minimum wages, criminal justice/drug law reform seem to me to be the bedrock issues.

    From what you have written, Perez's supports exactly NONE of these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I guess we would have to agree on what the litmus test is for progressive ideas.
    I'd never agree with a Republican concerning what Democrats should stand for. Republicans want Democrats to stand for policy positions that are sure to be rejected by the vast majority of the American electorate.

    If Republicans didn't place party above country, then Donald Trump wouldn't be attempting to play the part of a US President right now.
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