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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    No talk about reparations for Afrcian-Americans?
    I support it, but I very rarely meet anyone else who does. Most people won't even discuss it, and it's not a core progressive policy as far as I can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    What progressives want is to be admired.

    What conservatives want is to be respected.

    What the other 80% of us want is to be left alone by the first two.
    Well, and wildflowers, kittens, chocolate chip cookies and a huge grant for remodeling my condo ass'n's grounds.

    Then I can die happy.
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    That is what liberals have always wanted so it is not necessarily progressive. The holdout Bernie supporters are not progressives as that last part related to immigrants and other socially liberal goals was fully ignored in the last election and they were sold down the river. I think your question should be how do we educate new people who see themselves as progressive so they never again sell universal insurance, the minorities, women, gays, and Wall street/banking oversight down the river.

    One cannot call themselves Progressives and vote like conservatives not caring what happens to innocent people.
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    Madeline, as to the points of your OP, I agree with the proposal to demilitarize our LE. Today it looks more like we are under the control of an occupying force, than a civilian police force.

    I agree with your proposal to upgrade our infrastructure. Obama said he want to do that very thing. He spent over $900 billion and nothing happened.

    The rest of your "what do progressive want" I very strongly appose.
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    Madeline, What would be your idea of a fair way to tax those here in America. Not wanting to ask an open question, I will give you an idea of what my tax philosophy is.

    I believe in a free market, capitalistic system. Because of that, I opine that income/profits and privately owned real property ought be taxed. The basis of our taxation system ought to be spending of money vice the making of that money/wealth.

    You're up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Everything that is best handled by government, yes.

    Nice symmetry to that, donca agree?
    Here's one of the Dallas Police Officer that showed up at one of those "peaceful" protests...


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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Madeline, What would be your idea of a fair way to tax those here in America. Not wanting to ask an open question, I will give you an idea of what my tax philosophy is.

    I believe in a free market, capitalistic system. Because of that, I opine that income/profits and privately owned real property ought be taxed. The basis of our taxation system ought to be spending of money vice the making of that money/wealth.

    You're up.
    I can guess the answer is electing Trump.

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    Criminal Justice Reform: I am convinced that we have lost the "war on drugs" and a new strategy is required. The cost of enforcement, judgement and housing for drug offenders is enormous. There has to be a better more constructive approach. Regarding the militarization of the police, remember in a terrorist attack, they will be the first responders and will need to be properly equiped to reply. But I agree singularly for that purpose, not to respond to protests.

    Universal Health Care: While I support a safety net for those that cannot (much different then will not) provide for their health care, I cannot and do not support a governmental owned and operated single payer system. Yes, other countries have such systems, but their geographical and population demographics are much different and not comparable to ours. Moreover, in America, I just do not think that any one that can provide for themselves should be forced into government dependence.

    Free college and trade school tuition: Again, governmental assistance for needed educational disciplines, but not universally free. The taxpayers should not pay for someone to study door knobs and writes papers on the sex life of door knobs. Governmental assistance should be limited to STEM on the college level and needed services on the trade level. I am more concerned that our secondary education system is not adequately preparing many youngsters for college level studies.

    Paris Accord: I've have not met anyone that does not agree that we should do what is required to have clean air and water. It is my opinion, that the environmental zealots and the EPA have become much too excessive in controlling our lives. We cannot ignore our immediate economic needs regarding business development and employment and the impact that excessive regulations have on them.

    Massive Infrastructure: I am not opposed to a reasonable appropriation for infrastructure projects. The private sector does need somewhat of a shot in the arm so to speak. However, it is critical that the funds designated for such purpose be used for such purpose. If it doesn't result in sufficient economic growth all it will do is create more debt. Remember, such projects are temporary after completion, so if the economy is not humming in a sustaining fashion so to speak as a result, we've just dug a deeper hole.

    Immigration Reform: I do not oppose immigration reform. But I think we must first secure our borders for effective reforms. Until such reform, we have laws on the books that I think should be vigorously enforced.

    An item not mentioned is our social programs. I do not oppose social programs, but I support programs that will actually lift people out of poverty, most of our current programs just subsidize poverty and do very little to get people out of poverty. The answer to all our concerns is not more money, because most times we just throw good money after bad.

    While I know not all, but sometimes, I think many progressives think one's income and money does not belong to them, they think it belongs to the people. That dollar you earned is not your dollar, it belongs to the people and the people can just take it if they so desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I can guess the answer is electing Trump.
    I don't know yet, but, it is much better than electing the criminal hillary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    That is what liberals have always wanted so it is not necessarily progressive. The holdout Bernie supporters are not progressives as that last part related to immigrants and other socially liberal goals was fully ignored in the last election and they were sold down the river. I think your question should be how do we educate new people who see themselves as progressive so they never again sell universal insurance, the minorities, women, gays, and Wall street/banking oversight down the river.

    One cannot call themselves Progressives and vote like conservatives not caring what happens to innocent people.
    Kindly refer to the Op; immigration reform is a lynchpin issue for progressives IMO. Not only to alleviate the suffering of undocumented people, but to protect citizens from bad employers that leverage working class citizens against undocumented workers.

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