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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Madeline, as to the points of your OP, I agree with the proposal to demilitarize our LE. Today it looks more like we are under the control of an occupying force, than a civilian police force.

    I agree with your proposal to upgrade our infrastructure. Obama said he want to do that very thing. He spent over $900 billion and nothing happened.

    The rest of your "what do progressive want" I very strongly appose.
    Excellent! We are here to debate ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    I don't know yet, but, it is much better than electing the criminal hillary.
    So you are one of the ones who had no qualms about screwing minorities, green card holders, Dreamers, LGBT, women, removing oversight on banks and all the other beautiful things Trump promised to do? Congratulations for the deep thought moment. I mean surely the republican/Russian Hillary memes must have been accurate. Jeez...

    Big thank you for that. May as well reregister as a republican since people suffering did not play into your "thoughts".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Criminal Justice Reform: I am convinced that we have lost the "war on drugs" and a new strategy is required. The cost of enforcement, judgement and housing for drug offenders is enormous. There has to be a better more constructive approach. Regarding the militarization of the police, remember in a terrorist attack, they will be the first responders and will need to be properly equiped to reply. But I agree singularly for that purpose, not to respond to protests.


    My "new" drug program:

    1. Anyone that is picked up by the police or EMT/hospital for a drug over dose or usage, three times is then involuntarily committed to a secure drug treatment center where they will be given any and all drugs they may want. The catch is, once there you can never leave.

    2. Anyone at any time, if you are 18 years old or older, can voluntarily self commit to these very same secure drug centers. Once again, you can have any drug you want and as much as you want. The catch is, once there you can never leave.

    3. Anyone arrested, tried, and convicted of selling drugs, gets the very same deal. And once again, there is no leaving. All three are life sentences.


    Universal Health Care: While I support a safety net for those that cannot (much different then will not) provide for their health care, I cannot and do not support a governmental owned and operated single payer system. Yes, other countries have such systems, but their geographical and population demographics are much different and not comparable to ours. Moreover, in America, I just do not think that any one that can provide for themselves should be forced into government dependence.

    Agree.

    Free college and trade school tuition: Again, governmental assistance for needed educational disciplines, but not universally free. The taxpayers should not pay for someone to study door knobs and writes papers on the sex life of door knobs. Governmental assistance should be limited to STEM on the college level and needed services on the trade level. I am more concerned that our secondary education system is not adequately preparing many youngsters for college level studies.

    Agree.

    Paris Accord: I've have not met anyone that does not agree that we should do what is required to have clean air and water. It is my opinion, that the environmental zealots and the EPA have become much too excessive in controlling our lives. We cannot ignore our immediate economic needs regarding business development and employment and the impact that excessive regulations have on them.

    What we need to do is construct many thorium nuclear power plants. We would then have cheap, abundant, safe, and carbon free energy.

    Massive Infrastructure: I am not opposed to a reasonable appropriation for infrastructure projects. The private sector does need somewhat of a shot in the arm so to speak. However, it is critical that the funds designated for such purpose be used for such purpose. If it doesn't result in sufficient economic growth all it will do is create more debt. Remember, such projects are temporary after completion, so if the economy is not humming in a sustaining fashion so to speak as a result, we've just dug a deeper hole.

    I agree, the growth of the economy is primary.

    Immigration Reform: I do not oppose immigration reform. But I think we must first secure our borders for effective reforms. Until such reform, we have laws on the books that I think should be vigorously enforced.

    I agree.

    An item not mentioned is our social programs. I do not oppose social programs, but I support programs that will actually lift people out of poverty, most of our current programs just subsidize poverty and do very little to get people out of poverty. The answer to all our concerns is not more money, because most times we just throw good money after bad.

    I agree.

    While I know not all, but sometimes, I think many progressives think one's income and money does not belong to them, they think it belongs to the people. That dollar you earned is not your dollar, it belongs to the people and the people can just take it if they so desire.
    Very well done and thanks for posting.

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    Vets should not be preferred. If they are mentally sound, of course they should be eligible to be hired.
    --True. We just simply do not FUCK out Vets over enough, in this nation. Fuck 'em, then don't need jobs for which they are already prepared.

    There are other colors than pink. Yellow is popular in Europe. The idea is to outfit them to look more like EMTs and less like Navy SEALs.
    --I think they should wear whatever is most comfortable and effective for them, as they do their job. I have noticed that there are several different colors chosen by Police Departments, from Dark Blue, to Light Blue, to Green, Khaki and even White. I have always wondered why so many Police Departments wear DARK Blue, as that's gotta get hot as hades in the Summer. But, I suppose they have a reason for doing so. Probably to just scare civilians....

    Yes, hire more women.
    --If they want the jobs, then hell yes.

    "Petty" crime should be ticketed, not arrested, and people with "petty" criminal backgrounds should be eligible to join the police so as to best attain the goal of hiring people from the community to be served.
    --So. No Vets, but....LOL, we allow Petty Criminals to become Police. (You ain't kin to the Soprano's are ya?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Madeline, What would be your idea of a fair way to tax those here in America. Not wanting to ask an open question, I will give you an idea of what my tax philosophy is.

    I believe in a free market, capitalistic system. Because of that, I opine that income/profits and privately owned real property ought be taxed. The basis of our taxation system ought to be spending of money vice the making of that money/wealth.

    You're up.
    Unrestricted capitalism will reduce the 99% to poverty. Tax is an excellent way to restrain capitalism, via progressive tax rates on income.

    It's too complicated because the 1% keep passing new laws and rules to avoid their fair share, but revising the code every decade or so corrects that as much as human nature permits.

    Consumption tax is regressive and cannot be made progressive. It cannot restrain capital or transfer wealth down from the 1%. It should not be used in place of the income tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Here's one of the Dallas Police Officer that showed up at one of those "peaceful" protests...

    I'm what way is your post a reply to mine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Unrestricted capitalism will reduce the 99% to poverty. Tax is an excellent way to restrain capitalism, via progressive tax rates on income.

    It's too complicated because the 1% keep passing new laws and rules to avoid their fair share, but revising the code every decade or so corrects that as much as human nature permits.

    Consumption tax is regressive and cannot be made progressive. It cannot restrain capital or transfer wealth down from the 1%. It should not be used in place of the income tax.
    Meanwhile: Dreamer Arrested After Speaking on Immigration Released, Advocacy Group Says | KTLA

    Nevermind talking about taxation of the wealthy...Trump is the President. Too late for either of you to contemplate taxation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I can guess the answer is electing Trump.
    No. Trumpcare already contains enormous new tax breaks for the rich. This is precisely the wrong direction we should be taking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Meanwhile: Dreamer Arrested After Speaking on Immigration Released, Advocacy Group Says | KTLA

    Nevermind talking about taxation of the wealthy...Trump is the President. Too late for either of you to contemplate taxation.
    That's great.

    How does it relate to my post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    No. Trumpcare already contains enormous new tax breaks for the rich. This is precisely the wrong direction we should be taking.
    No kidding? Madeline this is not new news. He is exactly what he presented himself as when the two choices were all we had. You knew damn well he was a snake before you took him in.

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