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    What Do Progressives Want?

    There's not complete agreement among all progressives, and we don't all slavishly follow Bernie's edicts as to policies and priorities. But in the main, this is what people I know who are progressives want:

    * Criminal justice reform. This is a HUGE task that requires demilitarizing the police and subjecting them to reasonable civilian controls, dismantling the prison industrial complex, decriminalizing drugs and poverty, etc. The goal should be to reduce the prisoner population to very few other than those who have committed serious crimes against persons, and that virtually all such people reach prison after being found guilty at trial.

    * Universal health care. Basically, Medicare for everyone.

    * Free college & trade school tuition at public schools.

    * Aggressive pursuit of the Paris Accord goals as regards climate as well as other environmental protections.

    * Massive investment in infrastructure.

    * Immigration reform that allows the undocumented people here to become citizens rapidly and cheaply, unless they have committed violent crimes.

    There's more, but that's a fairly common agreed-upon set of goals. If any Democrat can't commit to these goals, I will work to defeat him. If any Republican CAN commit to these goals, I will work to elect him. I plan to protest and contribute and agitate to pressure my local, state and federal politicians to fall in line and if they don't, to defeat them. Of BOTH parties.

    It's just that fucking simple. Put the interests of 99% Americans first, if you want to be an American politician.

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    They want government to take care of everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Who pays?
    What did the guy on Mount Rushmore say about who pays?

    "The Constitution guarantees protection to property, and we must make that promise good. But it does not give the right of suffrage to any corporation…. There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put an end to it will be neither a short nor an easy task, but it can be done…Corporate expenditures for political purposes, and especially such expenditures by public-service corporations, have supplied one of the principal sources of corruption in our political affairs."
    "We grudge no man a fortune in civil life if it is honorably obtained and well used. It is not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community. This, I know, implies a policy of a far more active governmental interference with social and economic conditions in this country than we have yet had, but I think we have got to face the fact that such an increase in governmental control is now necessary.
    "No man should receive a dollar unless that dollar has been fairly earned. Every dollar received should represent a dollar’s worth of service rendered*— not gambling in stocks, but service rendered."
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    "The really big fortune, the swollen fortune, by the mere fact of its size, acquires qualities which differentiate it in kind as well as in degree from what is possessed by men of relatively small means. Therefore, I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes, and in another tax which is far more easily collected and far more effective-a graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion, and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate."
    Teddy Roosevelt, Republican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    They want government to take care of everything.
    Everything that is best handled by government, yes.

    Nice symmetry to that, donca agree?

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    I have lowered the bar for my wants...right now, I would just like a professional, Presidential POTUS I can be proud to support. I have never felt this way before, regardless who was in office. I don't want to be taken care of...never have in my adult life but I would like to see some of my tax dollars for things I could actually benefit from myself.
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    * Criminal justice reform. This is a HUGE task that requires demilitarizing the police and subjecting them to reasonable civilian controls, dismantling the prison industrial complex, decriminalizing drugs and poverty, etc. The goal should be to reduce the prisoner population to very few other than those who have committed serious crimes against persons, and that virtually all such people reach prison after being found guilty at trial.
    --Sounds good, need specifics:

    #1. What specifics for "de-militarizing" police? I understand that we need to take the Tanks and Armored vehicles away from some Police Departments, but....do we do away with SWAT? What are "Civilian" controls?

    #2. Do you feel we should decriminalize ALL drugs?

    #3. I did not realize that "poverty" was a crime? Where, when and how?

    #4. What crimes should we NOT punish, and/or, put people in Prison for?

    * Universal health care. Basically, Medicare for everyone
    --WHO pays for it? And, will it be the SAME for ALL?

    --Will there be "special" grades for Healthcare? Who will pay for that, and, will it be available for ALL, or, just certain careers, such as: Politicians and Government Workers?

    * Free college & trade school tuition at public schools.
    --WHO pays for it?

    --Will there be any "limitations," such as a GPA requirement?

    * Aggressive pursuit of the Paris Accord goals as regards climate as well as other environmental protections.
    --WHO pays for it?

    --What about the increase in energy costs on the poor? Will we have to raise taxes on others to take care of that?

    --What about the increase in the cost of pretty much EVERYTHING that has to be made, or transported? Who will pay for that? The end consumer, I assume, but, again....what about the poor?

    * Massive investment in infrastructure.
    --Who pays for it?

    * Immigration reform that allows the undocumented people here to become citizens rapidly and cheaply, unless they have committed violent crimes.
    --Does this entail any sort of "fee" on the quick citizenship?

    --What about those who have been doing things the RIGHT way? Do we "fast-track" them as well?

    --What about those who sneak across the border NEXT year? Do we fast track citizenship for them, at that time?

    --What kind of "background" checks do we do?

    --Who pays for it?

    Put the interests of 99% Americans first, if you want to be an American politician.
    --Do "99% of the American People" actually WANT all of the above?



    Don't get me wrong. In CONCEPT, I can agree with the general idea of much of the above. I could, at the very least, compromise on some.

    But, over all, those are some pretty hard core Liberal ideas.

    (HEY, if COMMUNISM worked, the way Karl Marx said it would work....I would be one of the world's most avowed Communists.....)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    --Sounds good, need specifics:

    #1. What specifics for "de-militarizing" police? I understand that we need to take the Tanks and Armored vehicles away from some Police Departments, but....do we do away with SWAT? What are "Civilian" controls?

    #2. Do you feel we should decriminalize ALL drugs?

    #3. I did not realize that "poverty" was a crime? Where, when and how?

    #4. What crimes should we NOT punish, and/or, put people in Prison for?



    --WHO pays for it? And, will it be the SAME for ALL?

    --Will there be "special" grades for Healthcare? Who will pay for that, and, will it be available for ALL, or, just certain careers, such as: Politicians and Government Workers?



    --WHO pays for it?

    --Will there be any "limitations," such as a GPA requirement?



    --WHO pays for it?

    --What about the increase in energy costs on the poor? Will we have to raise taxes on others to take care of that?

    --What about the increase in the cost of pretty much EVERYTHING that has to be made, or transported? Who will pay for that? The end consumer, I assume, but, again....what about the poor?



    --Who pays for it?



    --Does this entail any sort of "fee" on the quick citizenship?

    --What about those who have been doing things the RIGHT way? Do we "fast-track" them as well?

    --What about those who sneak across the border NEXT year? Do we fast track citizenship for them, at that time?

    --What kind of "background" checks do we do?

    --Who pays for it?



    --Do "99% of the American People" actually WANT all of the above?



    Don't get me wrong. In CONCEPT, I can agree with the general idea of much of the above. I could, at the very least, compromise on some.

    But, over all, those are some pretty hard core Liberal ideas.

    (HEY, if COMMUNISM worked, the way Karl Marx said it would work....I would be one of the world's most avowed Communists.....)
    Democratic Socialism works, and works well. It does require taxation of some 35% of GDP instead of the 26% we pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    --Sounds good, need specifics:

    #1. What specifics for "de-militarizing" police? I understand that we need to take the Tanks and Armored vehicles away from some Police Departments, but....do we do away with SWAT? What are "Civilian" controls?

    #2. Do you feel we should decriminalize ALL drugs?

    #3. I did not realize that "poverty" was a crime? Where, when and how?

    #4. What crimes should we NOT punish, and/or, put people in Prison for?



    --WHO pays for it? And, will it be the SAME for ALL?

    --Will there be "special" grades for Healthcare? Who will pay for that, and, will it be available for ALL, or, just certain careers, such as: Politicians and Government Workers?



    --WHO pays for it?

    --Will there be any "limitations," such as a GPA requirement?



    --WHO pays for it?

    --What about the increase in energy costs on the poor? Will we have to raise taxes on others to take care of that?

    --What about the increase in the cost of pretty much EVERYTHING that has to be made, or transported? Who will pay for that? The end consumer, I assume, but, again....what about the poor?



    --Who pays for it?



    --Does this entail any sort of "fee" on the quick citizenship?

    --What about those who have been doing things the RIGHT way? Do we "fast-track" them as well?

    --What about those who sneak across the border NEXT year? Do we fast track citizenship for them, at that time?

    --What kind of "background" checks do we do?

    --Who pays for it?



    --Do "99% of the American People" actually WANT all of the above?



    Don't get me wrong. In CONCEPT, I can agree with the general idea of much of the above. I could, at the very least, compromise on some.

    But, over all, those are some pretty hard core Liberal ideas.

    (HEY, if COMMUNISM worked, the way Karl Marx said it would work....I would be one of the world's most avowed Communists.....)
    I am not the Answer Lady, but I can go into detail on most of the list to a degree. "Decriminalizing" the police has to do with altering the organizations so that they are first responders, not an invading army. Change the uniform and the vehicles. Instill the power of politeness. Much more importantly, stop preferring vets in the hiring process, and instead, prefer people who are residents of the communities that will be policed. Excuse minor, nonviolent criminal records. Hire more women. Etc. Destroy the "paramilitary" culture that corrupts police departments around the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Democratic Socialism works, and works well. It does require taxation of some 35% of GDP instead of the 26% we pay.
    And that 9% is extracted from the rich, which results in protecting the middle class.

    Win, win, win, win, win.

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