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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    You had a HORRIBLE candidate. A woman so evil, even Trump was less satanic.

    I do not know why American Democrats will not face that.
    What crime was she convicted of other than the one in your head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I respect your position, Madeline, but if we all took your recommendation, nothing would ever get done. Every politician would be looking to be pure and of themselves only, and that's what just took down the GOP Obamacare repeal--Freedom Caucus members who wouldn't go with their party. They are pure--they vote "no" on EVERYTHING.

    Political parties have a purpose. They allow pols to aggregate power in order to accomplish something. They tend to moderate the extremes on both ends. And they let us know how is colluding with whom BEFORE we vote for them, not after (at least in the American system).
    We're at the nothing left to lose point. Further enslavement will decimate what's left of our middle class.

    It's time. Fight for what's right.

    If not you, then who?

    If not now, then when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Trump was very vague on his explanations on how to get things done. I saw a video the other night of Trump actually saying "I will give you everything." Don't forget this is the guy that also said "I alone can fix it." Stupid voters fell for it. They were conned.

    “I will give you everything” promises Trump in announcing his energy plan.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2016...e-pet-unicorn/
    Ayup. Next Trump trick: tax reform. In which nobody doesn't get a break and we can STILL spend 10xs more than Obama's last budget.

    Because if there is one thing Trump knows how to do, it's to spend money he doesn't have and evade the losses that creates by passing them to someone else.

    Mark my words. Trump thinks math is for losers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    We're at the nothing left to lose point. Further enslavement will decimate what's left of our middle class.

    It's time. Fight for what's right.

    If not you, then who?

    If not now, then when?
    I always fight for what's right, but politics is "the art of the possible." I think it's inflexibility that has created our particular problems in politics. Your absolutism is just another form of the same problem, in my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I always fight for what's right, but politics is "the art of the possible." I think it's inflexibility that has created our particular problems in politics. Your absolutism is just another form of the same problem, in my view.
    Your loyalty to the 0.01%-er's pet politicians is the problem, in my view.

    What do you have to lose by voting progressive-ly inclined Democrats and Republicans into office, next time?

    Not all change occurs at a glacial rate and, in reality, things have gotten rapidly worse ever since Reagan and Clinton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I always fight for what's right, but politics is "the art of the possible." I think it's inflexibility that has created our particular problems in politics. Your absolutism is just another form of the same problem, in my view.
    I believe I tried to make that point in an earlier thread and Madeline screamed bloody murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    I would love to see Hillary run again...But this time revolutionize the campaign model. Don't campaign on the ground.

    Take a page form Trump and only do TV appearances on Ellen, Colbert, Mahar, Morning Joe, The View, The Walk, Wendy Willams, Dr. Phil, The Chew...

    Never go to Iowa. Never campaign in NH.

    Hold massive TV rallies in L.A. NY Miami Houston Chicago

    Fly into Detriot give a rally, go home for two week.The fly into Cleveland for another rally.

    Living on the road for 8 months is bullshit.
    Why do you hate Americans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Trump was very vague on his explanations on how to get things done. I saw a video the other night of Trump actually saying "I will give you everything." Don't forget this is the guy that also said "I alone can fix it." Stupid voters fell for it. They were conned.

    “I will give you everything” promises Trump in announcing his energy plan.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2016...e-pet-unicorn/
    Trump allowed people to get their rage on. Mostly because they had been left behind.

    By Democrats. Like Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Trump was very vague on his explanations on how to get things done. I saw a video the other night of Trump actually saying "I will give you everything." Don't forget this is the guy that also said "I alone can fix it." Stupid voters fell for it. They were conned.

    “I will give you everything” promises Trump in announcing his energy plan.
    Obama did the exact, same thing. OMG, read his 2008 nomination speech. Trump was Hope and Change Part Two.

    The only difference between the two of them was Obama played to the balcony and Trump to the pit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Obama did the exact, same thing. OMG, read his 2008 nomination speech. Trump was Hope and Change Part Two.

    The only difference between the two of them was Obama played to the balcony and Trump to the pit.
    Precisely.

    Obama was the classier act, but is the middle class larger now? Are fewer people in prison? Do we have great cops who respect citizens?

    Nope, nope, nope.

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