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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I cried.

    What a sap I am, but I did.
    And then you were deeply disappointed. Just like always.

    William Jennings Bryan championed the interests of small men against the monied interests three times. Got more votes than any Democrat before in history. Still lost all three times.

    The mills of the gods grind slowly....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Crazy talk. Trump's speech was the darkest most self-aggrandizing speech of its kind in history. That's like saying Ghandi and Hitler had the same basic message because they both used words.
    I have both speeches. Shall I start a thread and we can examine them in detail? Obama promised to be fiscally conservative and generously liberal. He promised healthcare, stopping lobbyists, punishing companies who would take jobs overseas, etc ad nauseum. It was a HUUUGE list of impossible promises that were totally self contradictory. Nearly all of them were dead on arrival or were only partially met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Obama's speech was pretty anodyne.
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...-8#q=anodyne&*

    not likely to provoke dissent or offense; inoffensive, often deliberately so
    Trump never gave a more fantastic set of promises.

    Barack Obama?s Acceptance Speech - The New York Times

    let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am president
    I will stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.
    I'll eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.
    I will cut taxes -- cut taxes -- for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class
    today, we import triple the amount of oil than we had on the day that Senator McCain took office. Now is the time to end this addiction and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution, not even close.
    I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I'll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America.
    I'll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars.
    America, now is not the time for small plans. Now is the time to finally meet our moral obligation to provide every child a world-class education, because it will take nothing less to compete in the global economy.
    I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries, and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability.
    And we will keep our promise to every young American: If you commit to serving your community or our country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.
    now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care -- if you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves.
    Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime: by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow.But I will also go through the federal budget line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less, because we cannot meet 21st-century challenges with a 20th-century bureaucracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Trump never gave a more fantastic set of promises.
    Trump's vision was and is much darker. He's uninterested in new industries--he wants to "bring back" the polluting old ones. He wants to close corporate loopholes, but not to raise more revenue. Trump is uninterested in American education except to destroy it by shifting children to unacceptable private schools. Trump wants to increase military spending that is already six-times as great as any other nation.

    Both men are ambitious, but they have entirely different visions. Are we really comparing their level of ambitions, or the content of those ambitions?

    We'll see whether either can accomplish their goals with a Republican congress that appears to be incapable of governing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Trump's vision was and is much darker. He's uninterested in new industries--he wants to "bring back" the polluting old ones. He wants to close corporate loopholes, but not to raise more revenue. Trump is uninterested in American education except to destroy it by shifting children to unacceptable private schools. Trump wants to increase military spending that is already six-times as great as any other nation.

    Both men are ambitious, but they have entirely different visions. Are we really comparing their level of ambitions, or the content of those ambitions?

    We'll see whether either can accomplish their goals with a Republican congress that appears to be incapable of governing.
    Trump can't do shit.

    That's not longer debatable.

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    1. We had a decent candidate.
    --Who got beat by a Goon, completely inexperienced in politics. You could have done better. Bernie Sanders was a better candidate, and he is a Socialist. Joe Biden would have been a better candidate. Jim Webb was a better candidate (but, he doesn't fit very well in the DNC these days. FAR too moderate for the party's current direction. Martin O'Malley was a better candidate.

    2. We also had a foreign country influence our democracy in a bad way.
    --That's the story. Unproven, currently, but, when have FACTS ever actually mattered to Democrats, eh? AND, even if the Russians did "influence" the election, they did no more than hack into poorly protected DNC servers (During a period when there were all kinds of questions about their candidate's poor understanding of server security, and concepts like "Classified.."), only to release the Dirty Political tactics being used by Democrats.....

    3. We underestimated just how gullible and stupid voters are.
    --SAME American Voters, who JUST four years earlier were "wise" and "informed." Funny how that works out: Republican gets elected: The American Electorate is "gullible and stupid." Democrat gets elected: The American Electorate is "wise and informed..."

    I know you didn't vote for either but you have to admit that things couldn't be any worse right now.
    --Could be MUCH worse. Hillary Clinton could be President.

    Trump is an embarrassment to this country.
    --True, but, after the past eight years, that is nothing new......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    --Who got beat by a Goon, completely inexperienced in politics. You could have done better. Bernie Sanders was a better candidate, and he is a Socialist. Joe Biden would have been a better candidate. Jim Webb was a better candidate (but, he doesn't fit very well in the DNC these days. FAR too moderate for the party's current direction. Martin O'Malley was a better candidate.



    --That's the story. Unproven, currently, but, when have FACTS ever actually mattered to Democrats, eh? AND, even if the Russians did "influence" the election, they did no more than hack into poorly protected DNC servers (During a period when there were all kinds of questions about their candidate's poor understanding of server security, and concepts like "Classified.."), only to release the Dirty Political tactics being used by Democrats.....



    --SAME American Voters, who JUST four years earlier were "wise" and "informed." Funny how that works out: Republican gets elected: The American Electorate is "gullible and stupid." Democrat gets elected: The American Electorate is "wise and informed..."



    --Could be MUCH worse. Hillary Clinton could be President.



    --True, but, after the past eight years, that is nothing new......
    When reason and logic have taken a back seat to irrational fear and hate you have Trump and his supporters. There is no alternative left but to beat his supporters over the head over and over with the facts of what should be obvious. They either will come around to the truth or they suffer severe and fatal injuries from the attempt.

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    What is "irrational" about rejecting candidates who seek to injure your fellow Americans?

    I do not know Hillary personally. She is not my former MIL. I do not have fantasies about slipping rat poison in her tea.

    I just look at the millions of lives she and her husband blighted, and think it would be crazy to allow her to try and deepen that misery, without putting up a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    When reason and logic have taken a back seat to irrational fear and hate you have Trump and his supporters. There is no alternative left but to beat his supporters over the head over and over with the facts of what should be obvious. They either will come around to the truth or they suffer severe and fatal injuries from the attempt.
    And under Obama, reason and logic took a back seat to irrational optimism steeped in political correctness. In both cases, reason and logic took a back seat. It's like claiming that the Lobster is better off if you slowly raise the temperature. Face it. The public wants an impossible fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    But yet you think Hillary would've been worse?


    Hlllary would have been enormously successful as to her legislative agenda, which was no better than the anti-American agenda she and Bill ran in the 1990's.

    And she is a hawk. We'd be at war by now, if she had won.

    By contrast, Trump is a noisy, offensive embarrassment who cannot actually pass any laws or put Gorusch on the SCOTUS.

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