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    It does.

    If you doubt that, just think about the criticism Bernie got for running as a Democrat. Imagine the coverage he would have gotten running as an independent.
    Local races at least in my area has often resulted in electing third parties or unstateds to office. But then every candidate goes by the same rules of my state, county or district, when running. Not a hodgepodge of different rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Last time I checked, Switzerland had a much more democratic government than the US. If you do not want to live in a civilized society, try Galt's Gulch down in Chili.
    I believe that was a fraud perpetrated on the wise and freedom loving followers of Ayn Rand.

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    it is difficult for those who live in a two-dimensional political world to see in multi-dimensional ways. for Americans, there are no people alive who did not see politics in this two-dimensional reality. but, it is important to change to new things when the situations dictate it.
    Seems like the races where the winner takes all electors..... which my states practices.... makes many votes worthless.

    And I have never understood the reason for caucuses instead of primaries, as they sound rather coercive and time consuming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    it is difficult for those who live in a two-dimensional political world to see in multi-dimensional ways. for Americans, there are no people alive who did not see politics in this two-dimensional reality. but, it is important to change to new things when the situations dictate it.
    Our political structure promotes a winner take all, two demential vision because thats the way it actually works in the real world.

    In the same way the physical structure of our eyes determines how we see the physical world, and not the world as it exists in reality. Structure determines perception.

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    I don't see the parties changing in style or numbers anytime soon, so that's why I'd like to see an adoption of the voting system in Australia which might move the power around into different parties. Basically the tenet that I'd like to see tried (maybe in state elections first) is that you vote for all of the candidates by number of preference. None of the above might be a good American idea too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Our political structure promotes a winner take all, two demential vision because thats the way it actually works in the real world.

    In the same way the physical structure of our eyes determines how we see the physical world, and not the world as it exists in reality. Structure determines perception.
    all that is predicated on a yes/no, for/against ideology. is everything so black or white as you say? my experience is that it is not. I actually see in many colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    all that is predicated on a yes/no, for/against ideology. is everything so black or white as you say? my experience is that it is not. I actually see in many colors.
    Its not "yes/no, for/against ideology", it a republican, or democrat ideology that we're talking about.

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    People who opt out by standing away from what is do this country no favor. The solution is quite simple:

    1. In Presidential and Congressional elections vote one of two candidates who are the only candidates who can win.
    2. Vote for one of two candidates based on solutions the candidate offers that pass the sniff test.
    3. If the candidate says they will downsize all banks and you know what the makeup is with Congress in opposition, run to prove you can count.
    4. Stop gaming elections. The voters have already shown they really are not very bright or realistic related to issues so why further the fantasy?
    5. Repeat after me...one of two candidates will win so pick the best one based on knowledge of issues confronting the country and you can't go wrong. Continue to game the election and we will continue to have more Default Presidents than the current one capable of destroying this country out of ignorance of the complexity of the country.

    After the last election those who want third party movements and pretend by some degree it is not an opt out only gag me. I am neither party and never have been but that doesn't mean I don't understand what is at stake when voters game elections and pretend they are above it all and they allow dingbats to win by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Its not "yes/no, for/against ideology", it a republican, or democrat ideology that we're talking about.
    just because we are used to seeing it in a certain way, is not proof that all must see it as that way. do you support every plank of a particular party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    just because we are used to seeing it in a certain way, is not proof that all must see it as that way. do you support every plank of a particular party?
    Of course not.

    In this discussion that is irrelevant.

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