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    America Needs a Third Party

    For years I have been trying to reason with the two party system and neither side has the right solutions nor do they care to work together to get a final resolution. I want to examine just three areas to start off with and maybe you too have a better solution than what is on the table.

    1) Immigration - The right wants to treat foreigners like criminals and they want to deport 11 million people with no plan to deal with the families left behind. The left wants to grant citizenship, unable to understand that we live on a finite piece of real estate and we cannot contain the equivalent of another country's population every few years.

    The nutty wall idea would only have people digging tunnels, drilling holes in the wall, flying over the wall, and bribing the people guarding the border. The left would destroy our culture and put millions on the government dole with citizenship. You need a third party.

    A third party would advocate legalizing drugs and then Mexico could tax drugs coming into the United States; the United States would tax the drugs coming in and Mexico would match the U.S. man for man and dollar for dollar for border security.

    The U.S. would create a Guest Worker program with no path to citizenship. Guest Workers would pay a $250 fee and the government would do their worthless background check on the foreigner, issue an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and leave them alone. Guest Workers would not be entitled to any of the benefits / privileges of citizenship (welfare, Social Security, etc.)

    Current business tax rates are around 39 percent. Under these new third party proposals they would stay the same and the employer could hire whomever they choose. But, if they work with the government, they would get huge tax incentives that would drastically lower their tax burden. For example:

    A) Hire an all American workforce and get a substantial tax incentive

    B) Take Americans off the welfare dole, unemployment line and off disability and that's another incentive

    C) Bring jobs to America and get another incentive

    Offer enough incentives so that if an employer uses three or more, they max out at a 13 percent tax rate

    Then you make English the official language. Immigration debacle solved by third party proposals.

    2) Privacy Rights - Currently the left thinks they can infringe on the Second Amendment with gun bans and creating prohibited classes of Americans. So, they want background checks, licenses, registration, etc. Then, the left (being double minded) jumps on the bandwagon of privacy Rights and doesn't want the government to examine the backgrounds of undocumented foreigners. They also came out against the Republicans efforts to destroy Privacy Rights by allowing your ISP to raid your info and market it.

    The right picks up where the left leaves off. They endorse the complete evisceration of Privacy Rights via the so - called "Patriot Act," laws like SB 1070, National ID / REAL ID Act, E - Verify, etc.. Their agenda revolves around prove this, prove that, background check, pee test, hair sample, blood test, criminal background check, credit background check, 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance, etc., etc.

    The reality here is that the left's intrusive measures are as worthless as tits on a boar hog without the right's agenda of keeping a womb to the tomb database on every American.

    A third party proposal would get rid of all that. A third party would eliminate the IRS via something like the Fair Tax, eliminating SSN based ID. Repeal National ID; restore the Fourth Amendment. Eliminate the concept of endless background checks except for rare cases (like for employees who are in charge of children, large sums of money, etc.) Make privacy a paramount concern.

    3) Reduce the size, power and scope of government - A third party proposal would downsize government. Abolish the federal Dept. of Education and give education back to the jurisdiction of the states. Abolish the BATFE. Alcohol and tobacco violations could be turned over to the DEA and explosives violations would come under the FBI's jurisdiction.

    For every problem the two major parties cannot fix without driving us further and further toward socialism and tyranny, a third party could reverse the trend. It's time for new ideas.

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    Where does the third party stand on abortion?

    Guns?

    Universal healthcare?

    Do you see how quickly it becomes like the two major parties?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Where does the third party stand on abortion?

    Guns?

    Universal healthcare?

    Do you see how quickly it becomes like the two major parties?
    OK, but STILL...it would be wonderful to have a viable, realistic 3rd party with a chance to win.

    Against the corrupt Dems and the corrupt Repubs.

    Probably won't happen at the highest levels anytime soon.
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    Realistically there is no way a third party can be different enough yet appeal to a majority of voters at the same time.

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    Remember also that it isn't the parties who act a certain way it is the system we have that forces them to. Any new party will end up with the same behavior we see now.

    The republicans were a third party at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Where does the third party stand on abortion?

    Guns?

    Universal healthcare?

    Do you see how quickly it becomes like the two major parties?
    No, for me, a third party would use the Constitution as a foundation upon which to work from.

    They would have to support the Second Amendment

    Without a constitutional amendment, the abortion issue is settled law

    Universal Healthcare would need to be fully addressed. We need healthcare, but we are not a socialist nation (and a third party would not want us to be as the Ds and Rs are so committed to it.) Healthcare would not be an easy issue, but certainly one that a third party would give much consideration before commenting.

    We see what happened on that issue when the Rs wailed and complained, but wasted years complaining about something they had NO plan to fix it with. A third party would not want to make that strategic mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    OK, but STILL...it would be wonderful to have a viable, realistic 3rd party with a chance to win.

    Against the corrupt Dems and the corrupt Repubs.

    Probably won't happen at the highest levels anytime soon.
    Grass roots - local, county, state and then worry about national offices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Remember also that it isn't the parties who act a certain way it is the system we have that forces them to. Any new party will end up with the same behavior we see now.

    The republicans were a third party at one point.
    Not if the third party understands the system and is committed to changing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Realistically there is no way a third party can be different enough yet appeal to a majority of voters at the same time.
    That remains to be seen. Everybody is currently complaining because we have no real choices. There is no difference between the D and the R. They are rival gangs selling the same basic product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    No, for me, a third party would use the Constitution as a foundation upon which to work from.

    They would have to support the Second Amendment

    Without a constitutional amendment, the abortion issue is settled law

    Universal Healthcare would need to be fully addressed. We need healthcare, but we are not a socialist nation (and a third party would not want us to be as the Ds and Rs are so committed to it.) Healthcare would not be an easy issue, but certainly one that a third party would give much consideration before commenting.

    We see what happened on that issue when the Rs wailed and complained, but wasted years complaining about something they had NO plan to fix it with. A third party would not want to make that strategic mistake.
    It already exists, it's called the constitutional party.

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