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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    The experiments did not fail. The free enterprise system has drastically improved the standard of living for billions of people.
    The Chilean experiment (I was wrong earlier when I stated 'Peru'). This was a true libertarian commune that failed for the reasons stated. I can't c & p or post links to this site for some reason, but look up 'Galt's Gulch Chile' to get the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    The Chilean experiment (I was wrong earlier when I stated 'Peru'). This was a true libertarian commune that failed for the reasons stated. I can't c & p or post links to this site for some reason, but look up 'Galt's Gulch Chile' to get the details.
    Your example is flawed since it was borne out of fraud.

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    Depends on if we're talking about 'little l' libertarianism or 'big L' Libertarian Party. Libertarianism refers to a broad range of ideologies opposite statism/authoritarianism, from both the far-left to the far-right.

    The Democratic Federal System of Northern Syria, or Rojava for short, is a current left-libertarian polity that has achieved some level of success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    You think greed and selfishness is exclusively a bad thing? How do you think Capitalism works. People work to better themselves through mutually beneficial agreements.
    And without the evils of cops and courts and laws and regulations, what's to keep goons from stealing everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Respond to Milton. Is there some society that doesn't run on greed? And what great accomplishments in human history have come out of government institutions?

    Or was that capitalism, and also greed?

    Just because a society has greed doesn't mean it runs on greed. Every family household in the country, except for the most bizarre and pathological ones, doesn't run on greed. They run on mutual aid, the strong helping the weak. I think it's ingrained in us.

    Some accomplishments that have come out of government institutions:

    1. Construction of virtually all the roads, coliseums, temples & churches, statues, bridges, aqueducts, you name it, going all the way back to the Ancient Egyptians. Eventually the church split away from government, but for most of human history, they were the same thing.
    2. Water sanitation.
    3. The electrical power grid.
    4. Construction of modern railways, canals, bridges, highways.
    5. Research and development in virtually every area of pharmaceutical and high tech industry through government grants to Universities and the Pentagon.
    6. The State University system, and public elementary and high school education.
    7. The Centers for Disease Control.

    Those are just the ones that came to mind off the top of my head. Of course, those things didn't need "governement" (whatever that refers to, as it has changed quite a bit since the ancient Egyptians) constructed the way it is for those things to be achieved, but basically none of them were done by private industry. Private industry benefits from all of them of course, especially the pipeline of money provided in #5.

    People extol greed as a virtue, but they never seem to do so for the people they know who are greedy. Or is it just greedy people who want to justify their behavior who insist it is a virtue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    And what allowed the government to afford such an endeavor?

    Also, SpaceX is a private company and will revolutionize space travel. It's not something the government has an exclusive right over or anything.
    But the government did the heavy lifting and the private companies are now profiting. You know, the socialize the risk and privatize the profit, again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    The experiments did not fail. The free enterprise system has drastically improved the standard of living for billions of people.
    More and more economists are saying that that was true when there was lots of new resources (including land) to exploit. And the availability of new land and resources were one of the things that so helped the US.

    Now that the low hanging fruit, and even the fruit one can get from step ladders is gone, it is time to rethink things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDozer View Post
    Depends on if we're talking about 'little l' libertarianism or 'big L' Libertarian Party. Libertarianism refers to a broad range of ideologies opposite statism/authoritarianism, from both the far-left to the far-right.

    The Democratic Federal System of Northern Syria, or Rojava for short, is a current left-libertarian polity that has achieved some level of success.
    But that's true for socialism too. The fact that the US has taxpayer funded police and fire fighters doesn't (to the non-rabid) make it a socialist state.

    Not having laws about the actions of adults doing things with informed consent behind closed doors is not Libertarianism.

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    And perhaps we could discuss the concept of "enlightened" self-interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    But that's true for socialism too. The fact that the US has taxpayer funded police and fire fighters doesn't (to the non-rabid) make it a socialist state.

    Not having laws about the actions of adults doing things with informed consent behind closed doors is not Libertarianism.
    I didn't claim either. Rojava is an example of practicing a form of libertarian socialism.

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