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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I don't agree. It's possible to mislead an educated person. If you survey articles in HuffPo, Salon, Slate, etc. on Israel and they are uniformly negative and, what's worse, they appeal to the reader's humanity to encourage antagonism against Israel to "support the underdog".
    So articles in newspapers are the source of his "education"? OK then.. But even they I suppose don't apply term "Nazi" to Jews and Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    If Israel is a country and Jews are people, and those are different things, then criticism of Israel is NOT NOT NOT in any way attacking Jews. It's criticism of the country.

    If Israel and Jews are intertwined, not separate but the same, then that is an apartheid state and must be dismantled. As it's an affront to human rights and civil liberties.

    There's no scenario possible where Israel is not an apartheid state but it's a Jewish state. That's impossible. Doublespeak of the nose basic kind.
    Used in this way, the word "apartheid" has no meaning other than "separation". Possibly you are too young to remember the old South Africa, where black accident victims routinely died of neglect in the shadow of white hospitals. The oppression, theft, abuse and all-around horror was a long-running open wound. It is still not comparable to any other Colonial regimes in that regard.

    None of this is true about Arabs living and working in Israel. They have highly limited, regulated rights to movement, especially on public transportation. If these rules disappeared tomorrow, we both know suicide bombings would spike up drastically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by font View Post
    So articles in newspapers are the source of his "education"? OK then.. But even they I suppose don't apply term "Nazi" to Jews and Israel.
    The American liberal blogosphere is not a great source of information about Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    I suggest you visit Israel and see how the non-Jewish population does a lot better under Israeli rule. It's so amazing how people will attack Israel but yet not the countries that blatantly exploit and diminish their population. If only they held these countries to the same standard
    Of course I hold Isreal to a higher standard than a shit hole despot theocracy or dictatorship. Seriously you think people are not critical of middle eastern dictatorships?

    Seriously?

    You seriously think that people concerned with human rights are not critical of middle eastern dictatorships?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Part of the problem is that many expect Israel to behave like a Western country. This is a mistake. Israel is a Middle-Eastern country. It has adopted more aspects of Western culture than most other Middle Eastern nations, but if you want to compare Israel to other nations, be fair about it. Compare it to other Middle Eastern nations.
    Whether Israel is a Western nation, its neighbors and deadliest enemies certainly are not. We bless the use of drones and the killing of civilians in our own ill-defined war on terror. We have blown up hospitals in Syria without public outcry from Americans.

    But somehow, Israel has to justify every bullet to our fairy tale standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I can't understand the mentality of Arab extremists that will sacrifice anything to "push Israel into the sea".
    I don't understand the mentality (same as I can't understand the idiotic Trump supporters and defenders) but I get it. Poverty, abuse of power, years of brainwashing to hate Israel, anger at Israel and west for bombings that destroyed their homes, killed friends or family or maimed them, and lots of western countries exploiting the people of these countries and supporting ruthless dictators when it suits them, and the people are the ones feeling the wrath
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    [Some] [p]eople will not be happy until Israel is destroyed.
    ... and all the Jews driven back out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Of course I hold Isreal to a higher standard than a shit hole despot theocracy or dictatorship. Seriously you think people are not critical of middle eastern dictatorships?

    Seriously?

    You seriously think that people concerned with human rights are not critical of middle eastern dictatorships?
    The irrationality to protect Israel is so absurd. They are guilty of atrocities. They have killed so many more Palestinian people than Palestinian terrorists have killed Israelis.

    Same with the US, I expect them to be better, and just bombing and killing innocent people caught in the middle to justify getting a bad guy is complete BS. and to hide behind "security" is another BS argument.

    They act just as much as bullies and thugs at times as those nasty regimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Whether Israel is a Western nation, its neighbors and deadliest enemies certainly are not. We bless the use of drones and the killing of civilians in our own ill-defined war on terror. We have blown up hospitals in Syria without public outcry from Americans.

    But somehow, Israel has to justify every bullet to our fairy tale standards.
    Who are you speaking about? Liberals tend to be more the ones that think Israel is wrong at times, just like liberals are the ones that think our bombings of innocent people in every country is also horrendous. It's right wingers that more often justify US bombings as "oh well, its necessary" and defend Israel killing so many
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Of course I hold Isreal to a higher standard than a shit hole despot theocracy or dictatorship. Seriously you think people are not critical of middle eastern dictatorships?

    Seriously?

    You seriously think that people concerned with human rights are not critical of middle eastern dictatorships?
    No, of course not. But I do think you are insensitive to what it must be like to have ISIS on your doorstep, after 70 years of similar attacks.

    You and I have never feared an invading army would harm us, and we barely know what it means to fear a foreign terrorist will harm us.

    Why are we so demanding of Israel as to the rules of engagement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The American liberal blogosphere is not a great source of information about Israel.
    Nazi is a political philosophy. Fascism.

    A race or religion of culture can't be fascist. A COUNTRY can be fascist.

    If someone's comparing "Jews" and nazis, or saying "Jews" are not comparable to Nazis is being ridiculous.

    A person who thinks like a nazi is comparable to a nazi. The guy standing next to him isn't. Regardless of whatever other similarities they may have.

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