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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Please. Stop with the pretense. What ELSE could they have wanted nuclear capability for?
    Do you think the only application of nuclear technology is destructive?

    Providing electrical power, medical uses, and desalinization are just three non aggressive, peaceful uses of nuclear technology.

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/informa...-g-n/iran.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Seems exactly the same as every world leader since the day I was born. No difference whatsoever.

    Identify the single worst sponsor of terror and violence, the craziest of the crazy, the one who is so oppressive and tyrannical that no one could ever possibly live under them without fighting back, thus 100% guaranteeing never ending conflict. Call that nation your greatest ally against the exact same terrorism they create, give them 12 figures worth of weaponry and support, and take all the money they give you for the arms and spend it on fighting terrorism.

    That's never changed in my lifetime.

    If anyone can tell me any single difference between Saudi Arabia and ISIS - one single difference - well I'd be very interested to hear it. Cause I sure don't see one.

    Yet it's somehow necessary for all our countries to ally with 12th century ultra violent theocracy bevause it's our best way to fight an identical 12th century ultra violent theocracy.
    The Saudi royalty dress better.

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    All these tin-pot countries want nuclear weapons. Expect the worst to happen in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Ain't that the million dollar question? Trump has them paying lip service to the idea, though.

    I never expected that much progress. So clearly, he has SOME mojo on this issue.
    What progress, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Leaving aside all the silliness about Trump's misspeaking and complaining of being tired, etc., could we please discuss the core idea he has just unveiled?

    Is it possible to bring peace to the ME by putting the responsibility to fight terrorism squarely on the shoulders of the Arab nations?

    I am amazed, and hugely impressed, that this new center to fight extremism has been opened over there. This is the most thoughtful, promising advance in the peace process since Jimmy Carter, IMO. It may well end up being nothing more than window dressing and have no impact at all, but it COULD hold real promise.

    I do not think Trump is getting credit for the genius idea this seems to me to be. By framing the issue as "reducing extremism", he is forcing the Arab nations to accept they have a duty to the US -- and every other consumer of their oil -- to reduce terror attacks all across the globe, and that cannot be done unless they are also reduced as to Israel. He's drawing a line between the terrorists and the "legitimate" leaders of Arab nation governments and the Arab leaders seem to be accepting that such a division could exist. I NEVER thought I would live to see any Arab leader suggest this -- it immediately delegitimizes "Palestine's" current leaders in a fundamental way.

    He didn't talk about human rights for Arab citizens, or energy independence, or even suggest a few more regime changes were needed. Other POTUSs have tried and failed with each of those approaches, and frankly, I think most people inside and outside the political arena had begun to accept that the best we can hope for is keeping things from getting any more horrible.

    Maybe I am wearing rose colored glasses, but I find this extraordinarily hopeful. And it alters my view of Trump altogether, as I never expected him to do any aspect of his presidency even adequately.

    He can talk to Putin on the phone for hours every day for all I care, if he can really reduce the terror threat to the West and Israel. Peace is very, very appealing as a blessing of government.

    Your thoughts?
    What has been tried before failed. This may be a start - not the answer, but a start toward something that yields results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Let me clarify: If Middle Eastern nations fail to control terrorist operations within their borders, there is no penalty; no way to hold those nations accountable.
    Are there any Jews now living in the Arab nations?

    Or am I not getting your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    ???? that is the most repeated statement of every recent administration so I am not seeing that Trump did anything but repeat Clinton, Bush and Obama on extremism. That little human rights thingy is probably the most important talk he could have had if he bothered to bring it up. This was a terrible trip and location choices. Not sure why anyone thinks any of this is good. There is a reason Saudi was mad at Obama. There is a reason the US did not exclude Palestine and warned Israel to knock off dropping state of the art bombs on people with rocks. Think David and Goliath.

    Your OP is rather depressing.
    Well, color me stupid. Again.

    I once thought giving away the Suez Canal would bring peace to the region as well. Looking back, that was a colossal blunder.

    I keep thinking, if peace was finally possible in Northern Ireland, it can't be completely hopeless in the ME.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Please. Stop with the pretense. What ELSE could they have wanted nuclear capability for?
    So we don't invade them. Because their biggest enemy there has them. Lots of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Seems exactly the same as every world leader since the day I was born. No difference whatsoever.

    Identify the single worst sponsor of terror and violence, the craziest of the crazy, the one who is so oppressive and tyrannical that no one could ever possibly live under them without fighting back, thus 100% guaranteeing never ending conflict. Call that nation your greatest ally against the exact same terrorism they create, give them 12 figures worth of weaponry and support, and take all the money they give you for the arms and spend it on fighting terrorism.

    That's never changed in my lifetime.

    If anyone can tell me any single difference between Saudi Arabia and ISIS - one single difference - well I'd be very interested to hear it. Cause I sure don't see one.

    Yet it's somehow necessary for all our countries to ally with 12th century ultra violent theocracy bevause it's our best way to fight an identical 12th century ultra violent theocracy.
    *Sighs*

    So, IYO, it's hopeless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Do you think the only application of nuclear technology is destructive?

    Providing electrical power, medical uses, and desalinization are just three non aggressive, peaceful uses of nuclear technology.

    Nuclear Power in Iran - World Nuclear Association
    It's Iran, FFS. They are sitting on a massive oil field, under the desert sun.

    WTF do they need nuclear power plants for?

    "Peaceful uses". What deluded nonsense.
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