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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    All these tin-pot countries want nuclear weapons. Expect the worst to happen in the near future.
    Maybe they've noticed that countries with nukes don't get invaded like Iraq, and Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Are there any Jews now living in the Arab nations?

    Or am I not getting your point?
    There were more Jews living in the ME before we destabilized the region with our preemptive war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Maybe they've noticed that countries with nukes don't get invaded like Iraq, and Afghanistan.
    Yup. And if anyone here was them they'd want them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It's Iran, FFS. They are sitting on a massive oil field, under the desert sun.

    WTF do they need nuclear power plants for?

    "Peaceful uses". What deluded nonsense.
    Well then, color me deluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, color me stupid. Again.

    I once thought giving away the Suez Canal would bring peace to the region as well. Looking back, that was a colossal blunder.

    I keep thinking, if peace was finally possible in Northern Ireland, it can't be completely hopeless in the ME.
    At this point where Israel and Palestine is concerned, Israel has to give back their war booty as most civilized countries do in this era. The US can't take sides. I suspect that the only thing that can break this chaos is the global market and participation by all factions that lifts their lives from poverty. That will bring a semblance of peace at least in that area. There will always be fanatics. It does not go unnoticed that most terrorist attacks are by citizens of their own country where they live in obscurity and rise to blow their own dumb asses up in the simplest ways. We should not mix that with the war torn areas.

    Obama managed to find the balance of supporting Israel when she is the victim but confronting her when she is the instigator much to the consternation of the war loving Netanyahu and the best one can hope for is Trump will not sell the farm for that area to go backwards. It is frustrating for all sides and very complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Leaving aside all the silliness about Trump's misspeaking and complaining of being tired, etc., could we please discuss the core idea he has just unveiled?

    Is it possible to bring peace to the ME by putting the responsibility to fight terrorism squarely on the shoulders of the Arab nations?

    I am amazed, and hugely impressed, that this new center to fight extremism has been opened over there. This is the most thoughtful, promising advance in the peace process since Jimmy Carter, IMO. It may well end up being nothing more than window dressing and have no impact at all, but it COULD hold real promise.

    I do not think Trump is getting credit for the genius idea this seems to me to be. By framing the issue as "reducing extremism", he is forcing the Arab nations to accept they have a duty to the US -- and every other consumer of their oil -- to reduce terror attacks all across the globe, and that cannot be done unless they are also reduced as to Israel. He's drawing a line between the terrorists and the "legitimate" leaders of Arab nation governments and the Arab leaders seem to be accepting that such a division could exist. I NEVER thought I would live to see any Arab leader suggest this -- it immediately delegitimizes "Palestine's" current leaders in a fundamental way.

    He didn't talk about human rights for Arab citizens, or energy independence, or even suggest a few more regime changes were needed. Other POTUSs have tried and failed with each of those approaches, and frankly, I think most people inside and outside the political arena had begun to accept that the best we can hope for is keeping things from getting any more horrible.

    Maybe I am wearing rose colored glasses, but I find this extraordinarily hopeful. And it alters my view of Trump altogether, as I never expected him to do any aspect of his presidency even adequately.

    He can talk to Putin on the phone for hours every day for all I care, if he can really reduce the terror threat to the West and Israel. Peace is very, very appealing as a blessing of government.

    Your thoughts?
    Saudi Arabia will not change. Iran will not change. Islam will not change.

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    I have an Iranian acquaintance who is living in the U.S. In exile, so he is no friend of the current government.

    He says if Iran wanted nuclear weapons, they'd have them now. I believe him, because the reason he's in exile also gives him some expertise in the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Maybe they've noticed that countries with nukes don't get invaded like Iraq, and Afghanistan.
    BINGO.

    Now, ask yourself which Arab nation has had the craziest leaders lately?

    If we were ever going to consider nuclear proliferation in the ME, why o why o why did we choose Iran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I have an Iranian acquaintance who is living in the U.S. In exile, so he is no friend of the current government.

    He says if Iran wanted nuclear weapons, they'd have them now. I believe him, because the reason he's in exile also gives him some expertise in the matter.
    Yeah, I have wondered about that too. Why not just smuggle some bombs in?

    It's considerably easier than building a nuclear bomb manufacturing facility.

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