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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Saudi Arabia will not change. Iran will not change. Islam will not change.
    People said that about the English in Ireland for 800+ years.

    Life is change, for all humans.

    Even Muslim ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    BINGO.

    Now, ask yourself which Arab nation has had the craziest leaders lately?

    If we were ever going to consider nuclear proliferation in the ME, why o why o why did we choose Iran?
    You don't know anything about Iran except how it relates to Israel through the lens of the only way you get 'information'. Zionist propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    At this point where Israel and Palestine is concerned, Israel has to give back their war booty as most civilized countries do in this era. The US can't take sides. I suspect that the only thing that can break this chaos is the global market and participation by all factions that lifts their lives from poverty. That will bring a semblance of peace at least in that area. There will always be fanatics. It does not go unnoticed that most terrorist attacks are by citizens of their own country where they live in obscurity and rise to blow their own dumb asses up in the simplest ways. We should not mix that with the war torn areas.

    Obama managed to find the balance of supporting Israel when she is the victim but confronting her when she is the instigator much to the consternation of the war loving Netanyahu and the best one can hope for is Trump will not sell the farm for that area to go backwards. It is frustrating for all sides and very complicated.
    What war booty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    What war booty?
    Stolen land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    There were more Jews living in the ME before we destabilized the region with our preemptive war.
    Which one? The US has been war in the ME since the 1980's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    What war booty?
    Here is a one-sided version of how the Palestinian land ends up being resettled so don't believe every word just the summary element. The issue is that both sides have what they consider sacred ground and Israel has punished Palestine by building on their seized land over any incident. A lone nut can cross the Israel border and kill another kid and Israel punishes all Palestinians by bombing hubs and building on their land. When you look at the area Israel is a sophisticated advanced country armed by the best arms and then look at the backward Palestine area. In some ways When Obama digging in over the bombings and building and scolding them for overkill forced Israel to befriend their regional neighbors including Saudi Arabia more than they have in the past.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...e-9705378.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Which one? The US has been war in the ME since the 1980's.
    Bush junior's wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Here is a one-sided version of how the Palestinian land ends up being resettled so don't believe every word just the summary element. The issue is that both sides have what they consider sacred ground and Israel has punished Palestine by building on their seized land over any incident. A lone nut can cross the Israel border and kill another kid and Israel punishes all Palestinians by bombing hubs and building on their land. When you look at the area Israel is a sophisticated advanced country armed by the best arms and then look at the backward Palestine area. In some ways When Obama digging in over the bombings and building and scolding them for overkill forced Israel to befriend their regional neighbors including Saudi Arabia more than they have in the past.

    Israel?s ?land for lives? is theft. Pure and simple | The Independent
    Okay. So, how much land? Back to the 1967 borders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Maybe they've noticed that countries with nukes don't get invaded like Iraq, and Afghanistan.
    WHYB It was hoped the election of Trump would contain the Neocons and liberal warhawks to get us out of the ME and other places. It may be too early to tell if it's possible but it's not looking promising so far but at least Hillary isn't there to start a war in the Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Here is a one-sided version of how the Palestinian land ends up being resettled so don't believe every word just the summary element. The issue is that both sides have what they consider sacred ground and Israel has punished Palestine by building on their seized land over any incident. A lone nut can cross the Israel border and kill another kid and Israel punishes all Palestinians by bombing hubs and building on their land. When you look at the area Israel is a sophisticated advanced country armed by the best arms and then look at the backward Palestine area. In some ways When Obama digging in over the bombings and building and scolding them for overkill forced Israel to befriend their regional neighbors including Saudi Arabia more than they have in the past.

    Israel?s ?land for lives? is theft. Pure and simple | The Independent
    That part is so grossly unfair. any time a lone nut does something Israel says oh, they broke the peace deal! Fuck them all.

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