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    Trump & The ME: Is He Right?



    Leaving aside all the silliness about Trump's misspeaking and complaining of being tired, etc., could we please discuss the core idea he has just unveiled?

    Is it possible to bring peace to the ME by putting the responsibility to fight terrorism squarely on the shoulders of the Arab nations?

    I am amazed, and hugely impressed, that this new center to fight extremism has been opened over there. This is the most thoughtful, promising advance in the peace process since Jimmy Carter, IMO. It may well end up being nothing more than window dressing and have no impact at all, but it COULD hold real promise.

    I do not think Trump is getting credit for the genius idea this seems to me to be. By framing the issue as "reducing extremism", he is forcing the Arab nations to accept they have a duty to the US -- and every other consumer of their oil -- to reduce terror attacks all across the globe, and that cannot be done unless they are also reduced as to Israel. He's drawing a line between the terrorists and the "legitimate" leaders of Arab nation governments and the Arab leaders seem to be accepting that such a division could exist. I NEVER thought I would live to see any Arab leader suggest this -- it immediately delegitimizes "Palestine's" current leaders in a fundamental way.

    He didn't talk about human rights for Arab citizens, or energy independence, or even suggest a few more regime changes were needed. Other POTUSs have tried and failed with each of those approaches, and frankly, I think most people inside and outside the political arena had begun to accept that the best we can hope for is keeping things from getting any more horrible.

    Maybe I am wearing rose colored glasses, but I find this extraordinarily hopeful. And it alters my view of Trump altogether, as I never expected him to do any aspect of his presidency even adequately.

    He can talk to Putin on the phone for hours every day for all I care, if he can really reduce the terror threat to the West and Israel. Peace is very, very appealing as a blessing of government.

    Your thoughts?

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    Is it possible to bring peace to the ME by putting the responsibility to fight terrorism squarely on the shoulders of the Arab nations?
    No, because there is no mechanism to hold them accountable.
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    The idea to get the US on your side if you are a country engaged in war is pretty universal. The best arms, the best forces, virtuely unlimited resources. There is no way any of these countries wouldn't do something underhanded like 9/11 to drag the US to their side. How easy would it be to bomb a US target and blame the other side so that they join your country against the other? Nothing is straight forward in the M.E. Is your enemy really your enemy or did your friend just bomb you?

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    Trump was well received in Saudi Arabia.

    Saudi Arabia is afraid of what Iran can do and disgusted with Obama's support of the worlds largest state sponsor of terror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    No, because there is no mechanism to hold them accountable.
    Whut?

    Reports of terror attacks are the accounting, Djinn. Either they are reduced or they aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    The idea to get the US on your side if you are a country engaged in war is pretty universal. The best arms, the best forces, virtuely unlimited resources. There is no way any of these countries wouldn't do something underhanded like 9/11 to drag the US to their side. How easy would it be to bomb a US target and blame the other side so that they join your country against the other? Nothing is straight forward in the M.E. Is your enemy really your enemy or did your friend just bomb you?
    I concede that, but....seems to me, Trump gave the Saudis, etc. a reason to cut the mofos running "Palestine" loose. And gave Turkey, etc. a reason to reconsider their merry march to hell.

    Or maybe I just want this so bad, I am willing to *believe*, like a little kid. God knows, I believed every other such effort "could" work

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
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    Trump was well received in Saudi Arabia.

    Saudi Arabia is afraid of what Iran can do and disgusted with Obama's support of the worlds largest state sponsor of terror.
    Really? I did not know that. I thought they all got along like thieves.

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    Don't know about that, but read good feedback on the idea of business partnerships in Saudi Arabia. Supposing the deals Trump made are not held up in court here, they might create some goodwill, and that's a valuable commodity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Don't know about that, but read good feedback on the idea of business partnerships in Saudi Arabia. Supposing the deals Trump made are not held up in court here, they might create some goodwill, and that's a valuable commodity.
    How could Trump's ME deals be tied up in court? He isn't offering massive financial aid or some new treaty....is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    How could Trump's ME deals be tied up in court? He isn't offering massive financial aid or some new treaty....is he?
    Saudi's aggression toward Yemen might make it illegal for us to transact business with them.

    The Obama administration had deals with them but then cut it off when Saudi moved on Yemen.


    ... or something along those lines .... maybe someone else can provide more details.
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