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    The Media & The White House



    Some have complained that Trump's bad press is running 24/7 in every MSM outlet, other than FOX.

    And, without a doubt, it is. That's got several causes: his abuse of the MSM and its best reporters, for starters. Plus, he says the most exciting bad things I have ever heard from a POTUS. Plus, he hasn't done anything much yet to deserve any GOOD press.

    Etc.

    Is that fair? Does the media have too much power to influence public opinion?

    This isn't the first time this question has been asked. By about 3 weeks after the break in at the Watergate, it was headline news in every newspaper and the lead story in every broadcast -- and that never relented until the early days of Ford's administration. It was a complex story with a cast of hundreds, and the public could easily have lost interest if the media had not dwelt on it so fixedly.

    So, you could argue, that a main reason Nixon resigned was because Walter Kronkite and Katheran Graham, etc. decided that he must.

    Just like you could argue, the Red Scare ended when Edward R. Murrow decided to speak out against it, in his Sunday night radio broadcast.

    So, absolutely, the media has huge power. Much more than you and I. And these are not angels; I admired Kronkite enormously, but I think Al Gore at MSNBC and Ted Turner at CNN, among others, are venial, profit-seeking, completely selfish people who could care less whether their media outlets are putting out quality journalism.

    William Randolph Hearst, who once owned almost every newspaper in America, is considered by many to have gotten more than a few innocent people convicted of murder and hanged. "Yellow journalism" was once the only kind of journalism in America.

    So...modern American media moguls are people with low morals and bad motives, for the most part, and no particularly great journalism standard anymore.

    We should "do something about that!", right?

    WRONG. We can't do a thing about it, practically speaking, and even if we could, freedom of the press has value to our democracy -- above and beyond freedom of speech -- even if the press is acting badly. The best chance we have at actually finding out what's going on, especially in our government, is to allow as many reporters as much "air time" as they can get. If we tried AT ALL to censor the press by trying to hold them to a "not completely biased" standard, we'd have to trust the GOVERNMENT not to harm us more than the press already may be.

    Over and over, we have seen across history, governments will try and keep secrets and behave badly under cover of those secrets.

    You might really be angry at the News Editor at CNN tonight, but he or she does not want to kill your kid in a bullshit war, or throw you in prison without a trial.

    This noisy, cacophonous, disorganized mess we call the US media is actually a great asset to our country.

    Please, don't aid anyone promoting the idea that they need to be "restrained" because they are "bullying Trump". That is an anti-democratic idea.

    Your thoughts?
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    Unfortunately the great journalists are few and far between nowadays. The broadcast media has become a ratings centered form of network entertainment and print journalists care more about advancing their careers than character. Gone are the days of Walther Cronkite, The Murrow boys, Peter Jennings. Woodward and Bernstein. One of my favorites, Ed Bradley. The emphasis is on getting the story to the public, and source verification is an afterthought.

    Oh for certain, there are some great journalists out there. I like Anderson Cooper and at times Rachel Maddow. Scott Pelli is excellent. But too few. The media need to stop concerning themselves with jousting with government officials, ignore popular beliefs, stop the personal editorializing (Morning Joe is a great example) and return to solid, fact based reporting of verified information. Let the public make up their own minds about the state of the nation and the world.

    I wonder what the great Andy Rooney would say about journalism today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    Unfortunately the great journalists are few and far between nowadays. The broadcast media has become a ratings centered form of network entertainment and print journalists care more about advancing their careers than character. Gone are the days of Walther Cronkite, The Murrow boys, Peter Jennings. Woodward and Bernstein. One of my favorites, Ed Bradley. The emphasis is on getting the story to the public, and source verification is an afterthought.

    Oh for certain, there are some great journalists out there. I like Anderson Cooper and at times Rachel Maddow. Scott Pelli is excellent. But too few. The media need to stop concerning themselves with jousting with government officials, ignore popular beliefs, stop the personal editorializing (Morning Joe is a great example) and return to solid, fact based reporting of verified information. Let the public make up their own minds about the state of the nation and the world.

    I wonder what the great Andy Rooney would say about journalism today?

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    I agree. I sometimes wonder how the Columbia School of Journalism manages to attract new students, as there is so little room for quality journalism in this country these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I agree. I sometimes wonder how the Columbia School of Journalism manages to attract new students, as there is so little room for quality journalism in this country these days.
    The Washington Post and NYT are killing it too. Their subscriber numbers are way up. It pays to stay informed in the Trump Era. The only people with the power to sway your opinion is you.
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    perhaps journalist are suffering from a guilty conscience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    perhaps journalist are suffering from a guilty conscience.
    Ha! I don't think Ted Turner is burdened with one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Ha! I don't think Ted Turner is burdened with one of those.
    maybe so. But, the one thing that always gets a journalist back up is if you criticize their coverage of Trump. It's the one thing MSNBC, CNN AND Fox New have in common. Every single host, every one of them on every one of those networks, will push back hard on that. Jack Tapper is the only one that I saw admit the medias role in creating Trump , on Real Time with Bill Maher.
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    Part of the problem was that after Watergate, too many journalists wanted to become "Wood-stein." Instead of being true to their profession to accurately and fairly report the news, too many wanted to become celebrities. It polluted reliable journalism. Then the broadcast media became a form of entertainment instead of a reliable and accurate informational vehicle. And worst of all are these so called "news shows" such as Morning Joe which editorialize, but don't instruct.

    I've always loved newspapers and I still read the Chicago Trib and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. But I've given up on network national news.

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    Good thread.

    Its fairly well known now that Hearst is the reason for the Spanish/American war with his coverage of the Maine. The difference now is that we have competing outlets unlike back then when Hearst had control of basically all news.

    Could the same thing happen today?

    Not likely.

    People have to much access to all types of resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    maybe so. But, the one thing that always gets a journalist back up is if you criticize their coverage of Trump. It's the one thing MSNBC, CNN AND Fox New have in common. Every single host, every one of them on every one of those networks, will push back hard on that. Jack Tapper is the only one that I saw admit the medias role in creating Trump , on Real Time with Bill Maher.
    I honestly do not watch news on tv, at all. I don't know the hosts much, except by reputation.

    Everyone seems to think well of Maddow, but I just can't seem to sit and watch tv news anymore.

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