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    Moderates and conservatives understand their opponents; liberals don't

    Dated but first I've seen it:
    Want to End Rabid Partisanship? Reform American Academia
    The Moral Stereotypes of Liberals and Conservatives: Exaggeration of Differences across the Political Spectrum

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    The results were striking. As Kristof puts it: “Moderates and conservatives were adept at guessing how liberals would answer questions. Liberals, especially those who described themselves as ‘very liberal,’ were least able to put themselves in the minds of their adversaries and guess how conservatives would answer.” Tom Chivers at the Telegraph goes on to say that the “very liberal” were “especially bad at guessing what conservatives would say about issues of care or fairness. For example, most thought that conservatives would disagree with statements like ‘One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenceless animal’ or ‘Justice is the most important requirement for a society.'”

    Further, Haidt (a professor of psychology at the University of Virginia, and a former liberal who became a centrist in the process of conducting this research) finds that liberals and conservatives alike form their political beliefs according to three values: caring for the weak, fairness, and liberty. Yet conservatives also hold to three other values: loyalty, respect for authority, and sanctity. This accounts in part for the liberal failure to understand conservative viewpoints. As Chivers puts it, “Conservatives can understand the morality of liberals, but much of conservative morality is alien to their opponents.”

    This corresponds exactly with my own observations of the educated liberals among whom I lived and worked in academia for many years. Precisely the social institution that is supposed to encourage Americans to understand both sides of the argument, and precisely those individuals who repeatedly teach that we should enter sympathetically into the worldviews of those who differ from us, have by and large failed to encourage a charitable understanding of conservative beliefs and motives and have conferred a flat, exaggerated sense of what conservatives think.
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    3a. Conservatives were most accurate about the individual-focused moral concerns of either side, and liberals were least accurate.
    3b. Moderates were most accurate about the group-focused moral concerns of either side, and liberals were least accurate.
    3c. Liberals exaggerate moral differences the most.

    Our results go beyond previous studies, however, in finding and explaining an otherwise puzzling result: liberals were the least accurate. We presented three competing hypotheses about accuracy: 1) We found some support for the hypothesis that moderates would be most accurate, which they were in the case of the binding foundations. However, and most crucially, partisan inaccuracies were not mirror images of each other (in which case the red and blue lines in Figure 2 would have opposite slopes). On the contrary, liberals and conservatives both tended to exaggerate their binding foundation differences by underestimating the typical liberal and overestimating the typical conservative. 2) We found no support for the hypothesis that liberals would be most accurate; liberals were the least accurate about conservatives and about liberals. The largest inaccuracies were in liberals' underestimations of conservatives' Harm and Fairness concerns, and liberals further exaggerated the political differences by overestimating their own such concerns. 3) Finally, we found some support for the hypothesis that conservatives would be the most accurate, which they were in the case of the individualizing foundations. In line with Moral Foundations Theory, liberals dramatically underestimated the Harm and Fairness concerns of conservatives. These findings add to the literature on moral foundations by demonstrating a novel form of pragmatic validity [16] for the theory: conceptualizing and measuring the moral stereotypes people have of different social groups.

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    Not really all that surprising.

    Its not they can't understand the right its just that they have been so indoctrinated with hate that they can only see the lies they've come to believe.
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    Damn what a steaming pile of bullshit, christ oh mighty. Conservatives are the ones that are rabid partisans. THat are brainwashed by the idiocy Fox news feeds them and will only seek out biased sources that reaffirm their ignorance. THat have no ideas, they deny science becuase they are told to and it doesn't support their positions, believe all the problems in the world are due to their favorite scape goats, illegals, continually ignoring the real issues

    And seriously, who are the biggest hypocrities. YOu against Iraq war and Bush, you are a terrorist sympathizer and anti-American, then they spend 8 years shitting on Obama for the most petty and fictional bullshit. Then they elect TRump, a complete and utter POS with no morals, and people who criticize his actual words and actions and provide reasoning why they are dangerous just need to get over it. Damn conservatives are such a dishonest and delusional bunch

    You want to end rabid partisanship, Conservatives can start by turning of fox news, stop reading garbage blogs, and learn some facts.

    I'm so sick of the "liberals control academia bullshit" Sorry, facts have a liberal bias. Hence often the lack of actual facts, logic and reasoning tto support their positions seen by conservatives. This is wHy they have to call anything they don't like "fake news" or "liberally biased". This is why this article is such crap. Then the same people flock to clearly biased sites known for lies, spin, and other biased reporting. Yeah, liberals are the ones that are biased
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    Further, Haidt (a professor of psychology at the University of Virginia, and a former liberal who became a centrist in the process of conducting this research) finds that liberals and conservatives alike form their political beliefs according to three values: caring for the weak, fairness, and liberty.
    sounds like a nutjob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    sounds like a nutjob.
    caring for the weak, fairness, and liberty.
    And it seems conservatives fail at all 3 of these points

    1. Caring for the weak- they don't want workers to be paid livable wages, they don't want tax money going to help people (but have no problem spending so much money to kill and destroy brown people on foreign land, people in need are just lazy people that should just find a better job, people who are sick and need healthcare don't deserve it, because why should they pay for other people's healthcare, it goes on and on

    2. Fairness- they fail on this as well. their positions in immigrants, and their opposition to black lives matters and trying to pretend that african americans' don't face discrimination, police harrrassment, and have significant hurdles in life to get over solely because of their skin color, or the socioeconomic status. Their position of wanting to remove regulations from companies (which always leads to them harming the people) justso they can pocket even more money isn't really about fairness. Their support of CEOs making multi million dollar yearly salaries while workers of some of these companies are on welfare even working full time is a fail on fairness. Their opposition to gay marriage also shows they are not about fairness.

    3. Liberty- the only one they seem to care about is the 2nd amendment. THe hell with gay people's rights, minorities rights, the hell with helping those fleeing horrible situations and allowing them to have some liberty, them not caring, and even supporting, our insane rate of imprisoned, also shows they don't really care about liberty

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    What if the moderates and conservatives watch Fox 'News', click on Breitbart links and receive Putin propaganda on their facebook feeds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Damn what a steaming pile of bullshit, christ oh mighty.
    I cited research. You're just tantruming again.

    Conservatives are the ones that are rabid partisans.
    Childish pot calling kettle black.

    THat are brainwashed by the idiocy Fox news feeds them and will only seek out biased sources that reaffirm their ignorance. THat have no ideas, they deny science becuase they are told to and it doesn't support their positions, believe all the problems in the world are due to their favorite scape goats, illegals, continually ignoring the real issues
    More tantrums from you. The findings of this study showed conservatives and moderates could guess liberal responses to questions significantly more accurately than the other way around.

    And seriously, who are the biggest hypocrities. YOu against Iraq war and Bush, you are a terrorist sympathizer and anti-American, then they spend 8 years shitting on Obama for the most petty and fictional bullshit. Then they elect TRump, a complete and utter POS with no morals, and people who criticize his actual words and actions and provide reasoning why they are dangerous just need to get over it. Damn conservatives are such a dishonest and delusional bunch

    You want to end rabid partisanship, Conservatives can start by turning of fox news, stop reading garbage blogs, and learn some facts.

    I'm so sick of the "liberals control academia bullshit" Sorry, facts have a liberal bias. Hence often the lack of actual facts, logic and reasoning tto support their positions seen by conservatives. This is wHy they have to call anything they don't like "fake news" or "liberally biased". This is why this article is such crap.
    The article is one person's commentary on a piece of academic research. The research revealed conservatives and moderates have more accurate insights into the thinking of liberals than the other way around. But it is common for liberals and academics to automatically label as crap any actual research findings that don't shower their political biases with flattery.

    Then the same people flock to clearly biased sites known for lies, spin, and other biased reporting. Yeah, liberals are the ones that are biased
    Liberals are biased. And social sciences in American academia are extremely left wing biased, there is zero dispute over that. That's a fact, and your petulant tantruming doesn't refute it.

    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    sounds like a nutjob.
    An academic who isn't extremely liberal is automatically a nutjob according to extreme liberals? Yeah that sounds about right.

    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    What if the moderates and conservatives watch Fox 'News', click on Breitbart links and receive Putin propaganda on their facebook feeds?
    Then you would think the study's findings would reflect that, right? But did they?
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    Mr. Neomalthusian,

    This is easy to believe. I think the reasons are three fold. First, liberals tend to think of themselves as better and smarter than anybody else. They think that they don't need to hear what other people think because they know what they believe is the only thing that matters.

    Second, liberals tend to live in isolated enclaves and only interact with like minded people, so they don't really have an idea what other people think.

    Third, and similar, they only get their news and information from sources that think like them. By way of example, the San Francisco Chronicle publishes the NYT best seller list. The national non-fiction list has a wide range of books on a wide range of subjects. The local list are all liberal subjects by liberal authors. As such, they don't know, and in deed, don't want to know about the lives of people who don't think like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I cited research. You're just tantruming again.



    Childish pot calling kettle black.
    Two deflections, no refutation of any of my points


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    More tantrums from you. The findings of this study showed conservatives and moderates could guess liberal responses to questions significantly more accurately than the other way around.
    More deflection, and nothing you said addresses anything I wrote. YOur article was not solely the research, it was an article putting a lot of bullshit into the study that wasn't there, and I addressed that. As typical, you deflect


    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The article is one person's commentary on a piece of academic research[/B]. The research revealed conservatives and moderates have more accurate insights into the thinking of liberals than the other way around. But it is common for liberals and academics to automatically label as crap any actual research findings that don't shower their political biases with flattery.



    Liberals are biased. And social sciences in American academia are extremely left wing biased, there is zero dispute over that. That's a fact, and your petulant tantruming doesn't refute it.
    Once again, deflect and just repeat the same false statement without provide any reasoning



    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    An academic who isn't extremely liberal is automatically a nutjob according to extreme liberals? Yeah that sounds about right.



    Then you would think the study's findings would reflect that, right? But did they?
    Bullshit, you cited an article that added their own spin to a study, then when I pointed out the inaccuracies, you deflect and repeat the same lies.

    And I provided reasoning for my position, which you failed to address, and as usual, you just deflect. Claiming an argument is a "tantrum" is about as dishonest and lazy as they get and does nothing to support your position. And you have the nerve to call me lazy.

    Universities teach facts, that's why they are liberaly biased according to conservatives. THey don't like facts, because they refute conservative positions. Science observes and studies to find that facts, which we know works because those facts give us all the technology we have, that's why it is "liberally biased" according to conservatives.

    Nobody throws more tantrums than conservatives, because they can't stand that facts are not in their favor they just whine everything is biased against them.
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    Hmm, could it be that conservatives know what liberals will say because liberals are consistent and not raging hypocrities like conservatives that will change their position with the wind? As the numerous examples I pointed out.

    Yeah, cons are so moral that they elected Trump, that they support stripping healthcare for millions and claim we can't afford healthcare and infrastructure or help for actual Americans and to help our country, that want to continue to pollute the world and not pursue techonlogies that will lead to entire industries and high tech jobs, but we can spend 700 billion a year on a military that is already bloated, on weapons that kill and destroy?
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