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    Although I don't believe the left is irredeemable, I do see heavy damage recently owing to the violence of Antifa.

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    Sam Harris: Has extremism dominated modern politics?

    Part of the problem stems from the “us against them” mindset which seems to have become the norm for political discourse. Moderates/centrists/independents need not apply in such a polarized state of affairs. That’s why conservative Democrats and liberal republicans get it from both sides. At times it’s not about being reasonable, it’s about backing your team...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Sam Harris is a well known figure with strong opinions. To paraphrase Harris, that there is no moderate stance on issues that doesn't leave one open to attack. The extreme left seem to be confused on issues at the moment, with attempts to stifle discussion with identity politics, yet they appear to embracing one of the vilest dogmas encountered by the west, and if we drift to the edge of the right we meet some utterly disgusting individuals who value life based upon constructs of race and religion with 'God on their side', who live in a dualistic universe mired in superstition and emotion.

    Are moderates being 'bullied' into silence through the vociferous nature and intimidation of the extremists on both sides? Are those with genuine concerns and rational solutions on issues being silenced and sidelined in this wave of hysteria we are seeing in the last year or so?

    I'm interested in your thoughts on the subject. This is not about a single issue, but free speech and rational political discourse.
    Not me! I will not be silenced! I will speak out on the excesses of the far left,and now the whole right is far. There are few moderate right left. And they let the far rule for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Part of the problem stems from the “us against them” mindset which seems to have become the norm for political discourse. Moderates/centrists/independents need not apply in such a polarized state of affairs. That’s why conservative Democrats and liberal republicans get it from both sides. At times it’s not about being reasonable, it’s about backing your team...

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    And that is wrong. I see Pence COS is wanting to pull donors from Republicans who refuse to back Trump! That will go over well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    The video that prompted my thoughts on the subject:

    https://youtu.be/n-z_GAygD7c

    Although I don't believe the left is irredeemable, I do see heavy damage recently owing to the violence of Antifa.
    Antifa is a boogey word used by Cons. I could care less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No, Trump seems pretty moderate to me.

    He gave in to the democrats, they are the ones that refuse to budge on anything.

    So this is a one party problem.

    How many times did the republicans give in to Obama while he never gave in once to them.
    Trump flip-flopped all on his own. No one forced him to renege on what he promised to do.

    Most of the GOP candidates that ran against Trump told the truth that Trump was not going to be able to pull off all the promises he made.

    Both because of opposition and practicality...but everyone knew what Trump promised could not be done.

    you can blame Democrats and moderate Republicans...but what did you and Trump think...these groups were going to change their stripes after the election?

    Was Trump that clueless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Not me! I will not be silenced! I will speak out on the excesses of the far left,and now the whole right is far. There are few moderate right left. And they let the far rule for now.
    I know Maryanne, and believe me, you have my utmost respect for doing so. It's not just the far left that are perceived as suppressing speech, the right has its own techniques in some ways. Note the discourse on gun law reform and the levels of hysteria submitted from the far right. The Tea Party are just as insane as those responsible for public disorder, and although their rhetoric is different it is just as intimidating in some respects.
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    Antifa is a boogey word used by Cons. I could care less.
    Fair enough and I share your sentiment, however, it has cast a shadow over the left in recent months. Perhaps 'heavy damage' was a little hyperbolic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Part of the problem stems from the “us against them” mindset which seems to have become the norm for political discourse. Moderates/centrists/independents need not apply in such a polarized state of affairs. That’s why conservative Democrats and liberal republicans get it from both sides. At times it’s not about being reasonable, it’s about backing your team...

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    The ideologies have become twisted in order to accommodate the extreme levels of cynicism. Yes, that is a good point. Voices of reason are drowned out by the interests of opportunists.
    Last edited by Blues63; 4th October 2017 at 02:17 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Part of the problem stems from the “us against them” mindset which seems to have become the norm for political discourse. Moderates/centrists/independents need not apply in such a polarized state of affairs. That’s why conservative Democrats and liberal republicans get it from both sides. At times it’s not about being reasonable, it’s about backing your team...

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    Agree. Moderates are always chastised for being wishy washy, or seeing both sides of an argument. Many moderates have various degrees of each party but sit pretty near the middle. I don't know where this philosophy of "my way or the highway" comes from but its done enormous damage. I also think at some point, the "you did it too" mentality comes out and that really hurts. Neither extreme side is willing to take the high road and move forward. We are getting so bogged down as both extremes see who can be the ugliest.
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