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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Indeed.

    Check out post #277 when you have a chance. You might find something to like there.
    I think we'll get along just fine.
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    I still love you, Wonderer. You just surprised me is all! You play your cards rather close to your vest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I still love you, Wonderer. You just surprised me is all! You play your cards rather close to your vest.
    Well...there's only so much time in the day (week, month, year) - one has to pick one's "battles."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Resurrecting this discussion because I finally wrote this up officially:
    Ok, I see a long list of beliefs which do cover most of what conservatives have been saying for years. My question remains, what is the point in supporting a party or movement whose beliefs either never become law or have not been proven to work either here or abroad? Specifically, your comment about setting a budget and sticking to it. We have a spending mechanism that is passed each and every year unless spending plans are multi-year. Since tax revenues vary, spending needs vary, emergencies emerge, wars are started or ended, parties lose or assume power, government needs to borrow almost daily and so on, what exactly does it mean to have a budget and stick to it? Is this really just about making a show of being fiscally responsible in a way that can separate you from your political opponents and be used as ammunition for partisan tactics or does it actually mean something? I would argue that Democratic majorities have been the most responsible of the two for decades. I see no evidence at all that conservatives are capable of being fiscally responsible, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Ok, I see a long list of beliefs which do cover most of what conservatives have been saying for years. My question remains, what is the point in supporting a party or movement whose beliefs either never become law or have not been proven to work either here or abroad? Specifically, your comment about setting a budget and sticking to it. We have a spending mechanism that is passed each and every year unless spending plans are multi-year. Since tax revenues vary, spending needs vary, emergencies emerge, wars are started or ended, parties lose or assume power, government needs to borrow almost daily and so on, what exactly does it mean to have a budget and stick to it?
    You're correct - it's only a bullet point list. However, it sets out MY beliefs/stances - many (though certainly not all) of which are traditionally identified with conservatism. It goes to your earlier challenge, I thought, "In fact, I challenge this boards conservatives to create a thread that actually defines a conservative today." One could debate whether or not my list "actually defines a conservative today," but it does present an overview -- in broad terms -- of where this conservative-ish person stands.

    Your follow up question warrants a more detailed response than time will permit at present, but I will attempt to revisit it this evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    You're correct - it's only a bullet point list. However, it sets out MY beliefs/stances - many (though certainly not all) of which are traditionally identified with conservatism. It goes to your earlier challenge, I thought, "In fact, I challenge this boards conservatives to create a thread that actually defines a conservative today." One could debate whether or not my list "actually defines a conservative today," but it does present an overview -- in broad terms -- of where this conservative-ish person stands.

    Your follow up question warrants a more detailed response than time will permit at present, but I will attempt to revisit it this evening.
    Well, we could go down the list one by one but lets just concentrate on something that is critical to a functioning government. I await your explanation of what it means to be fiscally responsible both theoretically and in practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Well, we could go down the list one by one but lets just concentrate on something that is critical to a functioning government. I await your explanation of what it means to be fiscally responsible both theoretically and in practice.
    I suspect this is something both sides could address. I think we all prioritize certain aspects or beliefs and then vote accordingly. I know both some conservatives who couldnt vote for Trump in 2016 because it was against what they stood for and also some liberals who couldnt vote for Hillary for the same reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    My apologies if this is duplicative of other discussions, but I was recently asked what it is that makes me a conservative and thought it might be an interesting discussion to have here. So, for those PH'ers who right-identify ( ) - why?
    Being conservative means you are a traditionalist and want things to stay as they are - which is basically the opposite of being liberal which means you want things to change.

    Unfortunately both of these words have been butchered and maimed to the point they can mean so many different things to so many different people that their actual meanings really no longer have a purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Well, we could go down the list one by one but lets just concentrate on something that is critical to a functioning government. I await your explanation of what it means to be fiscally responsible both theoretically and in practice.
    My apologies, Claudius - work and real world responsibilities kept me from having much free time last night and I've a full day ahead of me today but I will return to this when time permits. Fair warning - I'm neither an economist nor a financial whiz, I'm just a simply unfrozen cavewoman lawyer. So I'm not certain how much detail you're looking for but I'll do my best to flesh it out a bit. Also, to reiterate, that list was in response to queries (from several quarters) as to who or what is a conservative, and I'm a hybrid of sorts. I believe I qualify in some respects -- and certainly relative to many posters here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    My apologies, Claudius - work and real world responsibilities kept me from having much free time last night and I've a full day ahead of me today but I will return to this when time permits. Fair warning - I'm neither an economist nor a financial whiz, I'm just a simply unfrozen cavewoman lawyer. So I'm not certain how much detail you're looking for but I'll do my best to flesh it out a bit. Also, to reiterate, that list was in response to queries (from several quarters) as to who or what is a conservative, and I'm a hybrid of sorts. I believe I qualify in some respects -- and certainly relative to many posters here.
    I like the term hybrid in these cases. I just dont know that many people (at least here in NH) that consider themselves married to their party. They vote R for some things and D for others. It really depends on so many issues. I know quite a few people here who voted for Obama and Trump. Bill Clinton and then GWBush. Its just one of those things that is fully dependent on both personal beliefs but also outside factors. Several of my friends that were democrats voted for GW in 2004 over Kerry just due to the terror issue. They felt he was stronger for it. It also appears from what I see that the younger one is, the more likely they are to cast out stray votes and not be party aligned. Even to third parties or lesser parties. Here in northern New England we have more successful third parties, the Peoples Party in Vermont, the Libertarians here in NH and the Greens in Maine. All who hold actual seats in local and state govts. So its allowing younger people to view that more openly and seriously.
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