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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    I'm conservative. I believe in a pay as go society and that benefits should be short term. Socialism doesn't work because people are not truthful. Taxation is theft and people should pay as little as they can by knowing the tax rules and working within them. If you think it's morally correct in paying loads of tax, I find that odd.
    Then you're ok with living in a mediaeval shithole? Taxation is the price of admission for a world with infrastructure and services which supports a decent standard of living. I find it odd that people that enjoy such a standard already are quick to let it lapse through selfishness and ignorance of the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    When I was growing up , the "conservative" model was Dixiecrats, George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and The John Birch Society. And I rejected that entire panoply.
    When I was growing up, the Dixiecrats, Wallace, Thurmond and the like were mostly history, the “conservative” model was Reagan. I rejected him/it at the time. Then I gained an appreciation for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Well, we could go down the list one by one but lets just concentrate on something that is critical to a functioning government. I await your explanation of what it means to be fiscally responsible both theoretically and in practice.
    I'll bet you thought I done R-U-N-N-O-F-T! Sorry about that. Work and "real life" got extra busy the past week or so but this has been nagging my conscience, so I've returned. I'm not sure I'll be able to formulate a satisfactory response, but I'll give it a go:

    What I mean by being fiscally responsible (in relation to our government) -- it's far easier to speak of theoretically. But, in broad terms, I support limiting government spending to performing those functions set forth in the Constitution.

    Recognizing that we are WAY THE HELL past that point and I'm not Queen of the World, in practice what I'd LIKE to see us doing is, as I alluded previously, utilizing a zero-based budgeting system rather than a baseline budgeting system. (Government expenditures SHOULD need to be justified (repeatedly) -- and shouldn't just be taken for granted.) Do away with earmarks. Quit treating government coffers like a slush fund. Subject members of Congress to the same regulations the rest of the country must abide by.

    That's not as detailed as I'd like to be, but my car is almost ready so I'm probably going to have to hop off here shortly. Hopefully that's at least a start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I'll bet you thought I done R-U-N-N-O-F-T! Sorry about that. Work and "real life" got extra busy the past week or so but this has been nagging my conscience, so I've returned. I'm not sure I'll be able to formulate a satisfactory response, but I'll give it a go:

    What I mean by being fiscally responsible (in relation to our government) -- it's far easier to speak of theoretically. But, in broad terms, I support limiting government spending to performing those functions set forth in the Constitution.

    Recognizing that we are WAY THE HELL past that point and I'm not Queen of the World, in practice what I'd LIKE to see us doing is, as I alluded previously, utilizing a zero-based budgeting system rather than a baseline budgeting system. (Government expenditures SHOULD need to be justified (repeatedly) -- and shouldn't just be taken for granted.) Do away with earmarks. Quit treating government coffers like a slush fund. Subject members of Congress to the same regulations the rest of the country must abide by.

    That's not as detailed as I'd like to be, but my car is almost ready so I'm probably going to have to hop off here shortly. Hopefully that's at least a start.
    This sounds like it answers the question but it does not. Our entire government was created by the Constitution including the sacred military conservatives love to worship. There was no standing army at the founding, no intent to do it at all. No air force, no Marines, hell, our Navy was nothing but a bunch of trading vessels mostly. So once again, what does it mean to be fiscally responsible in reality, not your fantasy world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    This sounds like it answers the question but it does not. Our entire government was created by the Constitution including the sacred military conservatives love to worship. There was no standing army at the founding, no intent to do it at all. No air force, no Marines, hell, our Navy was nothing but a bunch of trading vessels mostly. So once again, what does it mean to be fiscally responsible in reality, not your fantasy world.
    Addressed in Paragraph 3.

    I don’t live in a fantasy world, Claudius. That doesn’t prohibit me from espousing an approach that I believe would be far more responsible (and efficient) than the one we currently have.

    Real world responsibilities require me to take my leave and go clean out a fish tank before getting ready to celebrate Fathers Day with my family. Enjoy your day!
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    Excellent topic for thread. Thanks for bumping.
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    Conservatism. The ability to use the opportunity to work hard and forge your own way unimpeded by an intrusive government, but leadership that supports business and human rights. Concern about spending wisely with emphasis on working on peace with other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    I'm conservative. I believe in a pay as go society and that benefits should be short term. Socialism doesn't work because people are not truthful. Taxation is theft and people should pay as little as they can by knowing the tax rules and working within them. If you think it's morally correct in paying loads of tax, I find that odd.
    What are you trying to conserve? Taxation has been with us since our first societies. Societies have been with us since the first human groups gathered for protection and support.

    If you were a conservative, you would want to conserve the natural way it has always been.

    You sound more like an anarchist. Wanting to destroy everything.

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    Have not read all the posts, but for me,a Moderate Democrat believe in moderation.

    First is Fiscal responsibility, paying as we go.

    I think Government has the responsibility to take care and help the least of us.

    I thought IKE was a great President. He worked for the people to make things better. He is the last Republican PresidentI have had any respect for.

    Since then they have become ever more mean,greedy,selfish, so we ended up with GW Bush,a 20 year drunk, by his own admission, who lied us into,so far,a 16 year usseless war that has killed hundreds of thousands.

    As for Trump, I really do not have the words to describe m,he is so bad.

    But,I remain a Conservative, Moderate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    The desire to run the country in the black.

    An intentional decision to limit social spending and connect it structurally to running the country in the black.

    An intentional decision to leverage what is of value to increase the country's net worth so we can spend money on social and defense priorities without straining to do so.

    In other words, a functional approach to governance.
    That's actually very reasonable. I think you have made a very bad decision in expecting the current administration to achieve this in the long run (10-20 years), but it sums up what I consider the conservatism of "loyal opposition."

    I can understand this. Sometimes I can join it. It sticks to fundamental, common ground issues without straying into personal morality.
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