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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Civil rights was a conservative issue, so was the clean air and water act, so was ending the war in Vietnam and eliminating the draft, a strong minimum wage, pro union, a balanced budget without gutting revenues and giving massive tax cuts to the 1%, all of those were "Conservative" in 1968..now, not so much...again, the definition and metrics of "conservative" have devolved into the current hate and despise party, no longer recognizable as anything like the GOP of the 1960's
    I think you are confusing party names/labels with ideology.
    At one time in our history Democrats were far more conservative that Republicans and Republicans far more liberal than Democrats.
    We seem to forget that "Democrat" and "Republican" are little more than very valuable brand names and their membership & ideology and goals change with the attitudes of that membership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Wonderer posed an ideological question, not one that we claim is being fulfilled in any meaningful way at the moment.

    The current crop of republicans (most of them) are not conservative hence the term RINO.
    You mean NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH to make a minority of that party's membership all happy and content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Correct.

    The fact that we have never attained that is irrelevant to the actual ideological position of the true conservative.

    It is a goal to strive for.
    No, that is the goal of Americans. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    It's a total misunderstanding, Equal Opportunity means, equal opportunity with no bias displayed against a religion, a creed, a race, or gender,,, that REGARDLESS, equal opportunity is offered to all.

    That's where the misunderstanding comes from on the right, in some cases, this isn't a PROMOTION of those who are minority, it means they are equal in rights. Period, that's what it means.
    He is not right.

    How many times does the espouse the "fair share" viewpoint?

    Everyone must be equal and pay their fair share.

    You make more money you must be taxed more to be more in line with everyone else.

    Not enough minorities in school, we must pass laws to make sure everyone is equal.

    Too many blacks in prison, its not the fault of them for breaking the law, its racism.

    The list is endless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    No, that is the goal of Americans. Period.
    Good, its nice to see you admit the goal of America is rooted in conservative principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You blissful ignorance of the truth is your problem.

    You'll believe whatever you want to believe.

    No point in discussing this with a brick wall.
    List that credible and objective evidence.
    Prove me wrong. Wouldn't that make you happy?
    Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    I think you are confusing party names/labels with ideology.
    At one time in our history Democrats were far more conservative that Republicans and Republicans far more liberal than Democrats.
    We seem to forget that "Democrat" and "Republican" are little more than very valuable brand names and their membership & ideology and goals change with the attitudes of that membership.
    Hollywood, OG posted the platform of 1968. A time I could have gone either way. You need the platform to see if it fits you as a Conservative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    My apologies if this is duplicative of other discussions, but I was recently asked what it is that makes me a conservative and thought it might be an interesting discussion to have here. So, for those PH'ers who right-identify ( ) - why?
    I am conservative especially with regard to state and local government finance, because these levels of government have to balance their budgets on average. They don't have the tools associated with currency sovereignty, so they have to tax their citizens to pay for government expenditures. This requires rational conservatism.

    I am conservative in that I think individual liberty with regard to seeking employment should supersede the the interest of labor cartels (unions), and think labor unions should relegated to strictly voluntary business, both with regard to their own members as well as with regard to companies and public sector employers agreeing to negotiate with them.

    I am conservative in the sense that I reject leftist rhetoric that insists on analyzing the world only through the lenses of overwhelmingly partisan social sciences, i.e. economics, sociology, race and gender studies, social work, and the like. Marxist themes pervade here, specifically the social justice bent of leftism that preoccupies itself with class warfare rhetoric, inequality, and posits vague generalized conspiracy by the rich to suppress the poor. This dogma works tirelessly to foment and inflame people's sense of vast and pervasive "injustice" without actually referring to the law, and divisively forcing an "us vs. them" attitude, and the need for the poor to engage in some vast uprising to oust the rich from wherever (but without answering obvious questions about capital flight, globalization, and the post-labor economy of the future). Even though some left wingers have specific policy ideas that I think are worthy of consideration, the entire class warfare framework most modern leftists use to advance their ideas is something I find obnoxiously emotional and neurotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    He is not right.

    How many times does the espouse the "fair share" viewpoint?

    Everyone must be equal and pay their fair share.

    You make more money you must be taxed more to be more in line with everyone else.

    Not enough minorities in school, we must pass laws to make sure everyone is equal.

    Too many blacks in prison, its not the fault of them for breaking the law, its racism.

    The list is endless.
    You simply can't be this obtuse, just not possible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    He is not right.

    How many times does the espouse the "fair share" viewpoint?

    Everyone must be equal and pay their fair share.

    You make more money you must be taxed more to be more in line with everyone else.

    Not enough minorities in school, we must pass laws to make sure everyone is equal.

    Too many blacks in prison, its not the fault of them for breaking the law, its racism.

    The list is endless.
    No, that's not true at all, the war on drugs allows white kids to do community work, while kids profiled from poorer neighborhoods go to jail

    Schools are not funded equally, they should be, there should be no bias when it comes to that, and by the way, the real estate market would benefit from this, I hope I don't have to explain this to you, it's pretty obvious.

    You have the opportunity NOT to make a a whole lotta money also, with the victory comes the responsibility, I want no business using my sidewalks,, my highways, my airwaves for free; that's called theft, I don't like theives.

    He IS right, it is you who try to take a basic american ideal and make it "conservative" that's bullshit, you should know better than that, if you really are degreed in the field you cite.
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