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    Strange how women now are beginning to oppose the #Metoo movement, only after a Woman which is also a Democrat became the first Casualty of the movement for the 2018 election cycle.


    They are going WTF it was not suppose to attack women and/or Democrats
    Think outside the Republican/Democrat dichotomy for a moment. What do YOU think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Your synopsisis woefully incorrect. Some women are making absolutely ridiculous charges that are costing men jobs. Ultimately, it will cost good women jobs when men decide that they do not want to risk a lawsuit or their marriage.
    This is my fear, if allegations go into crazy land as Baj calls it. This will mostly affect younger women, but if they are interviewed with male candidates, same skills, education, etc.....companies may go with the male candidate due to trust issues. Most managers are worked to death, they do not need this extra headache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    This is my fear, if allegations go into crazy land as Baj calls it. This will mostly affect younger women, but if they are interviewed with male candidates, same skills, education, etc.....companies may go with the male candidate due to trust issues. Most managers are worked to death, they do not need this extra headache.
    But but but "zero tollerence!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Agree but I think both zero tolerance and tolerance levels are dooming this movement. A woman felt groped because Al Franken squeezed her waist during a photo. Or Garrison Keiller because he rubbed a back of a sobbing coworker. That takes the movement into crazy land where everyone has been groped. All that does is say "my groping means the same to me as your rape does." It demeans it all and the end effect is the same for the men. Whats different about the outcomes of Weinstein and Franken? Both had to leave their professions. Massive differences why.
    I don't agree with her in general, but I do agree about these examples. Some of the charges against Franken are ridiculous. I didn't know about the rubbing the back of a sobbing woman one. That is ridiculous. I might not want to be touched and might express that in some way, but would not consider the initial gesture to be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Franken had enough other complaints not to worry about squeezing a waist or like the second example, rubbing the back of a sobbing woman or man. Neither would get someone fired as a stand alone. That part remains the same. It is the propensity aka multiple complaints. Even with that, taking all unwanted touching out of the workplace is a must. Career minded women need to be treated the same as their male counter part and if we were honest about all this, no male would be squeezing a male co-workers waist or rubbing his back.
    I would touch a male co-worker if he were a friend and was hurting. I have.

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    This is my fear, if allegations go into crazy land as Baj calls it. This will mostly affect younger women, but if they are interviewed with male candidates, same skills, education, etc.....companies may go with the male candidate due to trust issues. Most managers are worked to death, they do not need this extra headache.
    I really don't like that you said that. We have to shut up again lest we don't get hired anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I really don't like that you said that. We have to shut up again lest we don't get hired anymore?
    Baj posted an article/thread about this a few days ago. These are not my words. It could happen, you never know. It may be a decision and a choice for women make.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b03350e0b710eb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Think outside the Republican/Democrat dichotomy for a moment. What do YOU think?
    Allegations do not = guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Baj posted an article/thread about this a few days ago. These are not my words. It could happen, you never know. It may be a decision and a choice for women make.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b03350e0b710eb
    I'm well aware. I have made that choice all my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Hearing a lot more of this lately. Thoughts?

    "I am concerned that we are throwing knee-touching into the same basket as rape, which does a grievous disservice to mere knee-touchers and rape victims both. I am concerned that we are increasingly wont to confuse genuine abuse of power in the workplace with often distant memories of men who have made failed – ‘unwanted’ – passes. I am concerned that we are casting women as irremediably scarred by even minor, casual advances, and as incapable of competently and sensitively handling the commonplace instances in which men are drawn to them sexually and the feeling doesn’t happen to be mutual.

    I am concerned that sex itself seems increasingly to be seen as dirty, and as a violation, a form of assault, so that we’re repackaging an old prudery in progressive wrapping paper. I am concerned that we are well on our way to demonising, if not criminalising, all male desire.

    Turbocharged by social media, #MeToo may have gone too far. One of the eight charges against Sen Franken was squeezing a woman’s waist while posing for a photo. Rather than bringing the sexes together with improved mutual understanding, we are in danger of driving the sexes apart. This is not what feminism was supposed to be about. It was supposed to be about empowering women, not infantilising them. Any woman can now point the finger at any man and make any claim she wants about something that may – or may not – have happened to her 10 or 20 years ago. That allegation, whether there is any evidence to back it up or not, is enough to end a man’s reputation, his career or even his life. We are seeing an end to the principles of natural justice, innocence until proven guilty and fair trials.

    Telling women that their lives are a chamber of sexual horrors, and telling men that they are part of an evil oppressor class, is not the path to equality.

    Meet the women worried about #MeToo | Feminism | spiked
    Just listened to Tavis Smiley on CNN. He is fighting back on his charges. He had a consensual affair with a woman years ago. PBS did not even talk to the woman involved.

    Yes,the hysteria has gone too far. They went too far when Gillibrand and those other Senators made their announcement before the facts came out. I would not care if the lost their election. Because they are much too hysterical and too quick to jump the gun.

    As always there are those who enjoy their so called 15 minutes. That hurst those who really were abused.
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