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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    I do kind of agree, I think if a guys does something a woman feels uncomfortable, she should kindly tell him to stop. If the guys persists, that now gets to harassment and assault.

    Simple flirting should not be seen as sexual assault, How is anybody supposed to get together? Oh, and when its a coworker, you should be even more cautious.

    I think some people completely lack social cues to even be aware of uncomfort in others
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think at the very least, new guidelines and exact metrics will come out of this. Vagueness and uncertainty will perhaps be gone.
    It is very easy to accuse with no proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Strange how women now are beginning to oppose the #Metoo movement, only after a Woman which is also a Democrat became the first Casualty of the movement for the 2018 election cycle.


    They are going WTF it was not suppose to attack women and/or Democrats
    This push-back isn't exactly opposition but to remind people to try to be reasonable going forward. We have a real opportunity here to equalize things significantly but we also have the same opportunity to turn this into something horrible. Being unreasonable about it (men are all pigs, women ask for it, its about politics) is only going to lead to the horrible part. And that I'm against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Just listened to Tavis Smiley on CNN. He is fighting back on his charges. He had a consensual affair with a woman years ago. PBS did not even talk to the woman involved.

    Yes,the hysteria has gone too far. They went too far when Gillibrand and those other Senators made their announcement before the facts came out. I would not care if the lost their election. Because they are much too hysterical and too quick to jump the gun.

    As always there are those who enjoy their so called 15 minutes. That hurst those who really were abused.
    I also saw Harold Ford Jr is fighting back like mad. His accuser remains anonymous and he says he has a right to face his accuser since he doesnt remember anything she says. He thinks she is making it up because its possible he got a better position than she did since she claimed to work at the same place. Vengeful kind of thing I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I also saw Harold Ford Jr is fighting back like mad. His accuser remains anonymous and he says he has a right to face his accuser since he doesnt remember anything she says. He thinks she is making it up because its possible he got a better position than she did since she claimed to work at the same place. Vengeful kind of thing I guess.
    So is Tavis Smiley. Being fired without knowing who your accuser is.

    Democratic women over reacted,too,and now it is coming back to bite them. The holier than thou attitude diminishes the true harassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    I do kind of agree, I think if a guys does something a woman feels uncomfortable, she should kindly tell him to stop. If the guys persists, that now gets to harassment and assault.

    Simple flirting should not be seen as sexual assault, How is anybody supposed to get together? Oh, and when its a coworker, you should be even more cautious.

    I think some people completely lack social cues to even be aware of uncomfort in others
    I can only speak from what I know, but a big problem is a lack of communication. If a coworker says or does something that makes one uncomfortable, they should let them know immediately. Not run to HR a week later. Some people are more touchy feely than others and hug or like to touch. Or get too personal in conversations. If you let them and then go to the boss thats a problem. Only after you have said something and they ignore it should that happen. As you say, many people marry a coworker and sometimes there is flirting. People have to let each other know whats crossing a line for them since everyone is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    So is Tavis Smiley. Being fired without knowing who your accuser is.

    Democratic women over reacted,too,and now it is coming back to bite them. The holier than thou attitude diminishes the true harassment.
    I think its wrong that someone can make an accusation anonymously. Everyone has a right to face their accuser. Sen Gillibrand overstepped her bounds and I think she may have been trying to show she was "presidential" by making a decisive move. I think it backfired on her, Franken was well liked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Hearing a lot more of this lately. Thoughts?

    Telling women that their lives are a chamber of sexual horrors, and telling men that they are part of an evil oppressor class, is not the path to equality.

    Meet the women worried about #MeToo | Feminism | spiked
    It's dead on and of course perfectly reasonable which means that it will be forgotten anytime there is a Republican candidate to knock down and Democratic gain to be made.

    I mean it is December for goodness sakes. It's time to forget all this sexual harassment, indiscretion and assault until October of 2018 when the entire 30-40 year history of many Republican candidates will be up for grabs again while the Democrats just sit around and take advantage of a media that won't even vet a candidate on their side or when they do, they will sit on it.

    My view is that unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims from 30-40 years ago should not be aired out against any candidate or really any person. People in this thread talk about someone going to HR a week later. In real life candidates are having every date and social interaction they've ever had examined and likewise many men in college are having relationships and flings from months and years ago suddenly declared rape when someone changes their mind or is triggered or has a false memory created in a later class or situation.

    People are far from perfect and that doesn't change just become some of the people are women. Memories can be manipulated and are fallible. For a long time we've tried to take the all of due process and remove it in matters of sexual harassment, rape and sexual assault. It needs to stop. No one is above the law period.

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    British actor Ian McKellen, condemning rampant sexual misconduct in show business, recalled a time when some actresses “proposed that they should be a victim.” “The director of the theater I was working at showed me some photographs he got from women who were wanting jobs,” he said. “They were actors. And some of them had ― I think these were the initials ― at the bottom of their photograph ‘DRR’ — directors’ rights respected.

    “In other words, ‘If you give me a job, you can have sex with me.’ That was commonplace for people who proposed that they should be a victim. Madness.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0c65287ac068f

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    So is Tavis Smiley. Being fired without knowing who your accuser is.

    Democratic women over reacted,too,and now it is coming back to bite them. The holier than thou attitude diminishes the true harassment.
    Don't you think it ironic that men in general seem to be pissed at being potentially on the receiving end of much of what they created or condoned in the past, now that the tables have finally turned. How many women have been fired for unjust cause after their reputations have been ruined? And there was not a damned thing they could do about it.

    And all the calls for balance and equality and the facing their accusers, stuff. Too funny especially when many of the charges already have expired.

    I guess it's only good for the goose. But it's time the ganders had a dose of their own medicine. Maybe they won't be such hypocrites next time they see others treated unfairly.

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