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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Or maybe we have two different groups with vastly different interests. We have a great majority who would benefit from one set of policies, and a smaller group with most of the wealth who benefit from a different set of policies. And we have a lack of education in group one that would help them understand how they are being duped by group two.
    Certainly plausible. But it shouldnt be like that. Other countries have less issues because citizens are treated the same. Healthcare is taxed at the same rate for everyone in countries with UHC. Here even under Obamacare, some states paid more than others and some insurers refused to sell in certain states thus causing inequality. Instead of focusing on those issues our politicians double down and keep going in that direction. UHC is polling up around 60% approval yet few address it. The fear is the initial shock to the system will cost so much that people will vote them out. So instead we double down on what we already have and we still swing the pendulum back and forth between the parties. Same result. I remember Pew Research did a poll last year and they claim over 70% of American voters feel the parties are too similar and worry first and foremost about their donors. Its why we keep hearing voters say the parties have become the same. Here we are over 30 years since Reagan and its deja vu all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Yeah, that'll work. Suing the suppliers of legitimate pain medication will definitely stop those peddling illicit ones.



    Hooray for Israel. Not sure how those of us who aren't Jewish are supposed feel about it.



    Do you understand that if you are in debt you don't give away your money to wealthy people and say "fuck you" to people you owe money to? WE ARE BORROWING MONEY FROM CHINA TO DO THIS TAX CUT! And we're ALL going to be stuck paying for it, including interest.

    The economy is doing well for now, butifwhen it crashes, we aren't going to be able to bail it out. And thanks in advance for the Medicare and Medicaid cuts that are coming next year.
    You sir have 20/20 vision. This is the best, most succinct summary I've read. Thanks.
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    No, Trump can't be the AntiChrist. Obama is the AntiChrist, don't you remember? That title is already taken.

    Voldemort. He could be Voldemort.

    or a lizard person. There is more than one of those, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I asked conservatives why they supported him, voted for him and are still happy he's POTUS. The reply most give is "Trump makes liberals angry."

    I guess we all have to suffer now, a lot, because too many white men got their butts hurt by having a black POTUS. Since they suffered a psychological injury, they look to Trump only for a psychological remedy.

    And he delivers it, in spades. My ex-huband did not insult me as much as this POTUS does.

    He didn't actually say that, but he should have. It might have warned us....

    ....no, no, we'd never have heeded that warning anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Whilst hanging out with loved ones yesterday, all lifelong liberals and Democratic party faithful types who all voted for Hillary Clinton despite my CEASELESS haranging before the election, I detected a level of fear and despair among them that seemed to me to be out of place, or at least, out of proportion. The imminent passage of the GOP tax bill seems to have tipped them into an emotional abyss, and much grieving was going on.

    Which I personally do not think is warranted.

    For starters, I think a president should be judged by what he does, not by what he says. (I actually think this about every adult.)

    And Trump has done, or started to do, or at least talked about doing, some things that I really wanted done.

    * Address the heroin crisis and bring federal resources to bear, especially against the manufacturer of OxyCotin, Purdue Pharma.

    * Make the world aware the U.S. is 100% dedicated to its ally, Israel. Peace in the ME will not be gained by "pushing the Jews into the sea".

    * Positively impact the U.S. economy, especially on the jobs and housing indicators. You might not feel Trump desreves the credit. Personally, I struggle to understand the rudiments of Economics 101, but nonetheless, across all the metrics, the nation is doing much better financially.

    Amirite, @BigLeRoy? @Neomalthusian?

    * Repeal Obamacare and thereby clarify for Americans that the entire rest of the first world nations are correct, and universal health care is an essential part of securing a healthy country. I know he did not pass Trumpcare (thank God), but the repeal of the Obamacare subsidies and penalties or the uninsured, as included in the tax bill he is expected to sign, more or less rip the guts out of that ginormous corporate welfare program.

    Now clearly, Trump has done or talked about doing some things I find just as abhorent as my Hillary Clinton-loving, foolish loved ones find them. But he has been in office since January of 2017 without passing a single piece of major legislation. This tax bill he is likely to sign will screw the 99%, but hey. There is another election coming up and most Americans will not be driven into starvation before the Democrats can restore the taxpayer supports for the poor and working poor, through tax relief or CHIPS, or food stamps, or whatever. I don't minimize the harms this law will cause, but their suffering will not be proportionate to the humans killed by Dubya's or Nixon's lies and their warmongering.



    Trump wants to fuck vets out of their benefits, yes, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, fewer Americans will see combat under Trump than did so under Dubya, or would have under Hillary.

    Amirite, @namvet69?



    Dubya, Nixon and Reagan were surrounded by some of the smartest, most savvy men and women this country has ever produced. Henry Kissinger, Madeline Albright, Edwin Meese, Colin Powel, Condolezza Rice, etc. etc. etc. And while I think Dubya was as dumb as a sack of hair, Nixon was fucking brilliant. Nixon probably actually WAS the devil.

    By contrast, Trump is surrounded by fuck ups, morons and traitors who are in the process of ratting one another out, as well as Trump, out to Mueller and most of whom will be VERY fortunate to avoid prison. I can't call Trump "stupid", but he is not brain trust, either. Or maybe he is, and I just can't figure our how?



    Lastly, my fellow PHers, I am sure of one thing: the odds that the country will elect a Republican to be president in 2020 are very, very low. I predict we will see another Carter-esque, pendulum-swinging liberal as 46. A man or woman who is a real progressive, I hope, and who will address some of our long-negelected issues and as well as redress what little lasting damage Trump has done to the country.

    It demans us all, when Trump says something racist or sexist. More or less, anytime Trump speaks, he embarrasses the entire country. Overseas, the country is baffling, offending and horrifying all our allies (except possibly Israel) and baffling, offending and horrifying our old enemies (except Russia).



    I don't deny that Trump gains come at a very high cost, and I wish he would resign already. But he is not the Fourth Horseman of the Apocolyspe, either.

    There are worse things than being embarrassed. Those of you who do not support Trump, please reflect on whether your dramatic chipmunk look must be affixed to your face every, single day until he leaves office? I worry that, like my loved ones, you may be sacrificing a portion of your peace of mind and capacity for joy which is harming you, without benefiting anyone else.



    Maybe, just maybe, things are not quite that bad?



    Happy holidays, my fellow PHers.

    If it's true that we will have fewer folks in combat, it's only because Trump will set off a nuclear war. Harvard professor and chair of the Psychiatry dept said when asked if he thinks trump would engage us in a Nuclear war or in other words, will he press the button and turn the key. He answered that he would be surprised if he didn't.

    That's what megalomaniacs do. They grandstand with no limits to the consequences to others.

    They're really staunchly self protective but as for others,they simply don't think about it much if at all.

    A few million S Korean lives mean nothing to someone with the traits of Trump. The hardships of others just never enter into his thinking at all. He would swap personal admiration for a few million lives of folks he doesn't know and never look back. That's how sick I believe Trump is.

    To assign thoughtfulness or empathy or normal human emotions and normal human restraint in his case is to misjudge him by a country mile.
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    If I were the Devil I'd take from those who have and give to those who wanted until the incentive of ambition is laid to rest.

    Paul Harvey
    who is the devilish party
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    who is the devilish party
    Those who take from the needy and give to themselves. That resemble anyone we know? Also, Harvey could have changed the word wanted to needed and thereby describe what the GOP just did in reverse. Oh how they blind themselves to the poor so that they might feel better about making them poorer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    who is the devilish party
    Those who perv after teenage girls and then try to use the Bible to justify it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Yes, you do.

    Sorry 'bout that.
    Denying that Trump is Nixonian in the pantheon of evil is not "minimizing", IMO. It's reducing the hysteria and hyperbole with a dose of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    We thought the same thing when Bush was president. First came tax cuts, then came deregulation, then the economy went through the floor. Granted, Trump hasn't started any new wars, but who knows what he'll do in the next 3 years?

    Anything big happens, we can't cover it financially because we just put ourselves into more debt by doing this stupid tax cut that nobody needed.
    Daddy Bush had a cooperative Congress and wide public support for his ideas.

    Which really started under Reagan, if you recall. "Deregulation will save consumers money!", as he began with the airlines.

    Well, America, how are you loving that "cost savings" now?

    Etc.

    So, IMO, Trump has exactly fuck all chance of passing a law of sweeping deregulation "reforms".

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