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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    There are 1.4 billion people in China. Are you saying these workers are slaves, or is working for whatever low wages you surmise they make actually an upgrade for them?
    Some (a lot, too many, most) are actual slaves. I won't buy anything imported from China, if I can possibly avoid it.

    Trouble is, I can't avoid Chinese goods altogether, because our textile and clothing, etc., industries are there.

    But I have shopped at Walmart less than 10 xs in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    My kids in Pittsburgh say the opposite for their area in Pennsylvania.
    Can you please expand on this?

    IMO, the best analysis of what killed the American steel industry comes from steelworkers and their loved ones. They have no reason to lie.

    And the pain is so deep. It never ends. People my age who expected to be able to pay their kids' college tuition are now often forced to accept financial help from them instead.

    Some are even living with their adult children for the financial assist. They lost their pensions, and the thieves who stole them never did a day in prison for it.

    Talk about violated expectations! The injustice of what was done to them is as bad as it gets, short of murder.

    It's a goddamned preview of hell, what they went through.

    Anyone here read "Rust Belt", a literary journal that runs great writing about this area? They have had a few editions that were relevant here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Until and unless the US dollar comes down in value nobody but the US will be buying US steel and only because tariffs make them equal to other steel from other countries but only in the USA. Putting tariffs on everybody elses steel coming in will result in only the US paying for Steel. Other countries will be getting their steel from countries like Canada and China and because they will be paying less for the raw material of steel their goods will be cheaper. I fail to see how this helps US business. The days of doing business only in the US are dead. You have to be able to compete globally. If the price to manufacturing yours goods is $10 a unit but everywhere else's price of manufacturing goods is $8 a unit the US is going to lose market share around the world. What happens? Even more jobs being moved to where the price to manfuturing is lower.

    PS Trump's new tax plan makes it easier to move money not only into the US but out of it !!!
    *Rolls eyes*

    This post is gibberish. Use your brain, why donca? The US continued to have a decent import/export balance every year since WWII. During periods when the dollar was strong and periods when it was weak. Currency exchange rates matter, but they don't impact on our manufacturing sector anywhere near as you described.

    Why would it be any different for U.S. made steel? You are an intelligent woman, madam. Don't throw both hands in the air and parrot Pelosi every time a topic includes math. These are important decisions, so please find your Big Girl panties and adult.

    I think you are attempting to vomit back something "smart-sounding" you read in the corporate Democratic blogosphere, without having to brain it first.

    It's a wonder you Democratic Party faithful types have the independent thought power to manage to keep food in your own houses. You have no instinct for economic self-interest, enlightened or otherwise.

    You have been LIED TO. A lot, over a long time, by "Democrats" whose loyalty lies with the 0.01%. Yanno, your ENEMIES in this class war.

    You are a victim of propaganda. Excellent propaganda, but still. You choose not to wake the fuck up.

    Free your mind, sister.
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    You don't think I know enough on economics, which is abundantly true. I struggle hard with a very rudimentary Economics 101 level of insight.

    But it wouldn't matter if we were discussing deep space exploration.

    Trump's propsed tariff matters to me, my decision will affect my community, so I am going to struggle to be informed and to think for myself.

    Nobody tells me what to think, apart from the American home decor industry, which had me buying green deep shag carpet in the 1970's.

    KELLY green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Some (a lot, too many, most) are actual slaves. I won't buy anything imported from China, if I can possibly avoid it.
    In favor of what? Mauritania? India? Slavery (or what basically amounts to it) is more prevalent in some places other than China. Claims that most Chinese workers are actual slaves requires evidence/citation.
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    So it's safe to say that THOSE jobs, like the miners' jobs, won't be coming back anytime soon (as somebody said)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    So it's safe to say that THOSE jobs, like the miners' jobs, won't be coming back anytime soon (as somebody said)
    More democrats lies

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ffs/403064002/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    In favor of what? Mauritania? India? Slavery (or what basically amounts to it) is more prevalent in some places other than China. Claims that most Chinese workers are actual slaves requires evidence/citation.
    Mine is anecdotal. I have a dear friend who travels there a lot, to rural areas of China. He related children are kept in large groups, worked like dogs, and they often have scars suggesting they only have one kidney, etc. I had to ask him to stop telling me about it, because it was giving me nightmares.

    But use your noodle. I can buy Chinese made goods for 1/10th of what those goods would cost if made in the U.S. Sometimes, 1/100th.

    I imagine most workers in China are hideously exploited, but strictly speaking, not slaves. But there ARE slaves as well.

    I have been banging on for decades that we need to ban the import of goods and commodities made via extreme human rights violations. Wal-Mart shelves would be empty overnight, if we did.

    Put the burden on China.


    (And India, and the Arab nations, and Haiti.....etc.)

    Make the nation which wants to import into the U.S. pay to get the Human Rights people in, from the U.N., to certify there are no slaves in *this* factory, and so, *this* product is cruelty-free.

    Most Americans won't buy anything tested on animals, but don't realize or don't care we are filling out homes, offices and bellies with crap made or grown by slaves, including enslaved children.

    If the horrors of child and slave labor don't move you, consider your enlightened self-interest. American workers, especially agricultural workers, can never hope to compete with slave labor.

    I can drone on about this for days....sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    So it's safe to say that THOSE jobs, like the miners' jobs, won't be coming back anytime soon (as somebody said)
    The coal mining jobs won't come back, and should not.

    Steelmaking is different. It requires a capital investment of enormous proportion, which investors might not have profit from for decades, if they make a factory from scratch.

    Whereas my factories are sitting idle, needing not even 1/100th of that investment to bring them back to production.

    I have the infrastructure -- the trains and ports to move raw materials and finished goods.

    I have the trained labor force.

    It's possible Trump's tariff will not succeed, will not attract capitalists back to American steel factories. But if so, so what?

    What is the horrible downside to TRYING to revive American heavy industry?
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