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    I fell in Ghandi territory as well. I took this one a few years back and are basically the same. Maybe a little higher on the grid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinCheeseNip View Post
    the opposite of ...


    And what exactly is that? Tell us what you have conjured up in your mind.
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    And tell us where you fall on the political compass....I was close to Ghandi myself a few years ago, have not changed any of my opinions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinCheeseNip View Post
    the opposite of ...


    What a great example of an oxymoron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I wouldn't call myself a Trumpaloompa, but I applaud his good choices.

    For example, moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. Terminating funding for blood money for Arab terrorists. Looking at suing the manufacturer of Oxycotin. Etc.

    I would rather have a beer with Obama than with Trump, but neither man is heroic.
    What we learn from this post is 1) you are a strong supporter of Israel, even to the point that you disregard the claims and or suffering of Palestinians, and 2) you believe Trump when he says he's going to do something, even though there's only about a 10% chance he ever does what he says he's going to do.

    I respect neither element of your personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    What we learn from this post is ... you disregard the claims and or suffering of Palestinians....
    Nothing in her post suggested either of those things. The "suffering of Palestinians" has nothing to do with giving money to terrorists and/oor their families for committing acts of terrorism. And moving the embassy is not a relevancy (whether or not it actually happens).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Nothing in her post suggested either of those things. The "suffering of Palestinians" has nothing to do with giving money to terrorists and/oor their families for committing acts of terrorism. And moving the embassy is not a relevancy (whether or not it actually happens).
    I think it's quite relevant. No international body has ever recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Jerusalem without equally recognizing Jerusalem as a Palestinian capital as well. Trump's move goes beyond anything the US has accepted about Israel before, back to its inception. And I'm unaware of the US government giving money to anyone in exchange for acts of terrorism.

    We've discussed this many times, and your own position on the issue of Israel is (you've tacitly admitted) unsustainable. It will end in one of four ways: 1) an Israel that isn't democratic, 2) an Israel that isn't definitionally Jewish, 3) the mass removal of Palestinians to other countries, or 4) the mass murder of Palestinians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I think it's quite relevant. No international body has ever recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Jerusalem without equally recognizing Jerusalem as a Palestinian capital as well.
    Every other country gets to determine its own capital. Denying that to Israel just does not make sense.

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    I'm unaware of the US government giving money to anyone in exchange for acts of terrorism.
    The U.S. (among others) gives money to the Palestinians. The Palestinian government uses that money to pay terrorists and/or their families for acts of terrorism. While the U.S. is naturally not making the payments to terrorists, that is where the money is going. It is entirely proper to withhold such monies until the Palestinian government stops paying off terrorists and their families.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palest...y_Martyrs_Fund
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Every other country gets to determine its own capital. Denying that to Israel just does not make sense.
    They don't get to put their capital in a place that's half outside their country.
    The U.S. (among others) gives money to the Palestinians. The Palestinian government uses that money to pay terrorists and/or their families for acts of terrorism. While the U.S. is naturally not making the payments to terrorists, that is where the money is going. It is entirely proper to withhold such monies until the Palestinian government stops paying off terrorists and their families.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palest...y_Martyrs_Fund
    That's not quite what either you or she said. You were misleading. Tsk tsk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Unfortunately, that's nearly all Republicans who are 1) elected to a national office and 2) are running for re-election.
    It seems that way but in reality it isnt. Most of the top 10 popular governors in the US currently are republicans and few of them even consider themselves conservatives. The number one Gov Baker of Mass is a progressive republican as is Vermonts. Not unheard of.

    Gov. Charlie Baker again ranked most popular US governor | masslive.com
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