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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    It seems that way but in reality it isnt. Most of the top 10 popular governors in the US currently are republicans and few of them even consider themselves conservatives.
    I don't mean to be rude to someone who is generally so sensible and kind, but what part of "elected to a national office" don't you understand? The president, senators, and congressmen hold national offices. Governors do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Whut are the core beliefs of American conservatives? I thought they were:

    1. Smaller government is better. State and local governments deliver better services than the federal government, for far less money.

    2. America first. Our workers, our businesses, our borders. We are not the world policeman.

    3. Certain institutions and people working within them deserve respect, as a rule. The U.S. military, our police and fire forces, religious leaders, teachers, health care workers.

    4. Government policies should support marriages, families and children. Those policies should not encourage destructive behaviors like opioid drug taking, gambling, careless spending and excessive debt, etc.

    Are these still the fundamentals of American conservatives? Did I state them correctly?

    Your thoughts?
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    The political ideology which represents the majority view.

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    The word “conservative” has a solid definition. But when you ask me “what is an American Conservative” - it gives a very different picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Madeline,

    The political ideology which represents the majority view.
    That would be populist. Are conservatives populists, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Conservative and Liberal seem to have evolved into convenient binary labels for insulting. Commonly used to negatively define/paint the other tribe. And for the sake of outrage our tribes are determined to define/paint the opposition with a broad brush based on the actions of the extremes on the spectrum. Fitting for the current polarized state much of our politics is now in.

    If there was a magic list of all the issues (social/fiscal/cultural/whatever) and we put that in a big questionnaire....am guessing a overwhelming percentage of the population would end up scoring "Moderate". Lots of Left and Right of center. But not too awful far from the middle.

    A handful of big rocks (abortion the biggest/toughest) are going to be difficult forever. But most can be civil even on those topic.
    This is true but not without some natural merit.

    Conservatism is at it's base a preservation of values and traditions. As times modernize that concept is met with a strange dilemma, especially as the concept of modernity becomes more powerful. The goal posts on what is tradition/value keeps moving and steadily the overall message is lost. By the time this fractured the organized parties within conservatism (GOP) we had things like Tea Party, neo-con, Independent Libertarian, far-right, etc; like the phrase-of-the-day alt-right - all attempting to define what values and traditions that are untouchable.

    Anyone from the furthest left to the furthest right is going to see that overall disorganization and do everything from point it out to negatively define/paint it - and thus distance themselves from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That would be populist. Are conservatives populists, then?
    Mr. dittohead,

    No, conservatives represent the majority political ideology.

    You are confusing terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. dittohead,

    No, conservatives represent the majority political ideology.

    You are confusing terms.
    and the common people don't represent the majority?

    pop·u·list
    ˈpäpyələst/Submit
    noun
    plural noun: populists
    a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.
    a person who holds, or who is concerned with, the views of ordinary people.
    a member of the Populist Party, a US political party formed in 1891 that advocated the interests of labor and farmers, free coinage of silver, a graduated income tax, and government control of monopolies.
    noun: Populist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. dittohead,

    No, conservatives represent the majority political ideology.

    You are confusing terms.
    As evidenced by what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    This is true but not without some natural merit.

    Conservatism is at it's base a preservation of values and traditions. As times modernize that concept is met with a strange dilemma, especially as the concept of modernity becomes more powerful. The goal posts on what is tradition/value keeps moving and steadily the overall message is lost. By the time this fractured the organized parties within conservatism (GOP) we had things like Tea Party, neo-con, Independent Libertarian, far-right, etc; like the phrase-of-the-day alt-right - all attempting to define what values and traditions that are untouchable.

    Anyone from the furthest left to the furthest right is going to see that overall disorganization and do everything from point it out to negatively define/paint it - and thus distance themselves from it.
    Good points.

    Good post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and the common people don't represent the majority?
    Mr. dittohead,

    Again, no, your are confusing terms. Conservatism is not a political party, but rather, a political ideology.

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