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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    May I ask why you rely so heavily on Raw Story then?
    Sure. Because frankly, I can't afford all the sites behind paywalls. Raw Story covers them all. i pay for NYT and WAPO. RS'S culls from WSJ which is expensive, New Yorker AND a lot of local sources from around the country that I wouldn't even know to look. RS says what it does and is. 'Story selection from a progressive point of view. Stories that haven't gotten attention yet'. (They've run NUMEROUS stories early before they went big or national).

    It gives a basic synopsis of the story with a link AND it's easy to c&p from. (Plus the headlines seem to piss off some of a certain 'ilk' here. But that's just the cherry on top).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    For many, it is about beating the other guy. Not winning anything, just beating him/her/them, and then lording it over them.

    I have no problem with challenging a source, if the challenge is valid (i.e., the extremes on either side).


    Fallacious as it is, that often is the general idea.

    I would certainly rather discuss the ideas. There are some people who do not wish to do that, because it takes work - much more than simply attacking the other side, demonizing it and its adherents as "evil," and therefore concluding that only "x" position is truly valid because anyone holding to any other position is evil on account of it. E.g.:

    1. Hitler built highways.
    2. Hitler was evil.
    3. Evil people build highways.
    4. Eisenhower built highways.
    5. Therefore Eisenhower was evil.

    That is, unfortunately, the kind of logic we see around here. Discussions of law become about what the law should be according to rage politics.

    While not representative of the country, we are a sort of microcosm of the country (as are other boards, I presume), and what goes on here is what seems to be going on IRL as well. The only way to overcome it, IMO, is for people of dignity and gravitas and education to put themselves up for election and make the people of bluster, parody and ignorance look like the fools they are. We need people who prove a politician need not be dead 15 years (if even that helps) in order to be a statesman.
    We have a President that PEDDLES conspiracy theories, reads the NY Post like it was The Atlantic, who hired as his campaign CEO the guy who peddled the quintessential slime source, BREITBART, and called it news. Breitbaft, posted here almost daily.

    NO, I will not entertain for a second any false equivalencies when it comes to facts, sources, and methods. Every time we make room for and tolerate lies, conspiracies and trash, we drive down the body politic.

    I have some very serious concerns we are in a nosedive and won't be able to pull out of the spiral. (No that is not hyperbole).
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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    You're all wrong. I'm the only one that knows the answers.

    Go ahead and try me. Ask me a question.
    What is the purpose of the Cosmos?
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    I read a bit of national and international news every day. I enjoy doing so. I live with a spouse who is fiercely intelligent but is one-foot in another country and much more locally minded. I want to discuss geopolitics. She wants to discuss city council or school boards or (God help me) sweet potato crop scandals in Fukuoka.

    The culture at work is non political. You would not discuss sex, religion or politics in a professional environment.


    So this is my place to indulge in topics of interest. And I learn a TONNE here. I’m not too worried if I convince anyone of anything. I like getting things off my chest anonymously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Anyone who thinks that a word that symbolizes a large group of different people can be "defined" might want to consider the study of semantics as a sidelight. Political terms are meant to be elastic so that people can listen to their emotions and become committed without knowing exactly what they are committing. That's how politics works. High emotions. Not much depth of thought.

    I am by nature, a contrarian. Many of the people I admire are contrarians. I am very conservative when surrounded by people who have made a religion of their progressive ideals. But I like liberals as my entertainers and many of my friends. I believe in the blending of opinions into communities. But I live on the periphery of such communities because as soon as someone tries to put me in a box, I rebel against the constrictions. The truth of my opposition positioning tells a lot more about me than any political label might.
    In a two party system, it only matters which team you vote for so labels are merely tribal artifacts, if you vote, you picked a tribe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    The source thing is a pet peeve of mine. Each side has their own preferences and I always feel like if someone doesnt like the source, then Google the subject and find one you like on the topic. But overall, politics has become a team sport, we root for our own team and knock down the competitor. Basically we do all the things, society says decent people shouldnt do, mock, name call, etc.
    I think just attacking the source is intellectually lazy. Usually when a polemical source offers a patently inaccurate report, it's possible to demonstrate it's inaccuracy or the illogic of its argument.

    We should be skeptical of all the arguments we hear, however, and it's useful to see things vetted in front of a audience that opposes them. That's the real value of debate--leaving no stone unturned in the critical examination of claims and evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    I read a bit of national and international news every day. I enjoy doing so. I live with a spouse who is fiercely intelligent but is one-foot in another country and much more locally minded. I want to discuss geopolitics. She wants to discuss city council or school boards or (God help me) sweet potato crop scandals in Fukuoka.

    The culture at work is non political. You would not discuss sex, religion or politics in a professional environment.

    So this is my place to indulge in topics of interest. And I learn a TONNE here. I’m not too worried if I convince anyone of anything. I like getting things off my chest anonymously.
    I once attended an Anthropology conference where two Ph.D. anthropologists very nearly got into a fistfight, and had to be pulled apart from each other, after they got into a heated argument over the origin of sweet potatoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Sorry - for the semi-vague thread title, but I'm just interested in throwing this out for discussion. Seems as though a significant portion of the energy expended on this board (and many like it) is directed toward discrediting "the other guy." Whether it's questioning the source(s) linked, or playing the "whatabout" game, or pointing out the perceived hypocrisy of those on "the other side." So...just wondering...what, really, is the end game?

    If the "other side" is discredited, does that mean we don't have to consider what they're saying? I do realize some comments/positions are so extreme as to perhaps not warrant a substantive response. But I do sometimes get to wondering what we (most of us) are actually doing? Hoping to persuade? Hoping to dissuade? Seeking internet points?
    I first started posting over ten years ago as rehabilitation, but at this point I just post to needle alt-right wingers and hunt their hypocrites.

    Also, a welcome yet unexpected side benefit is that I don't need to watch Fox 'News' or visit racist sites to know what the alt-right is saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    What is the purpose of the Cosmos?
    Just waiting for humanity to blow up the universe, thereby ripping a hole in the space time continuum which will be interpreted as the big bang by countless misinformed speculators, who don't realize that we have been here before.

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