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    Is NATO Still Useful?

    And if so, for what? Does anyone seriously think Putin is restrained by NATO?

    Isn't this organization archaic?

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    In the light of Russia's actions over the past recent years, an absolute YES.
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    Yes, NATO is still useful and has been a check on Putin.
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    As long as Imperial America wants to place the burden of Pax Americana on the shoulders of American taxpayers NATO will be useful. NATO of course can exist without the US, NATO without the US is still much, much stronger than Russia conventionally and of course itself is backed by nuclear weapons.

    Undue defense expenditures is making America uncompetitive and is the primary reason why we see cities like Detroit.

    America must reduce military spending dramatically and when it does it needs to reevaluate its international military committments. Those committments should be reduced dramatically and should include removing itself from NATO. #outofnato
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberthughey View Post
    In the light of Russia's actions over the past recent years, an absolute YES.
    Okay, so then why has Putin been aggressive in Eastern Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Okay, so then why has Putin been aggressive in Eastern Europe?
    Without NATO it would be much easier for him to regain the old Soviet countries which is a long held dream of his. He'd be much more aggressive than he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    And if so, for what? Does anyone seriously think Putin is restrained by NATO?

    Isn't this organization archaic?
    Is NATO still useful?

    Donald Trump doesn't think so. And I guess his opinion is the one that counts.

    After all, he IS the President. And Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. And, at least allegedly, the 'Leader of the Free World'.

    'Allegedly'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Okay, so then why has Putin been aggressive in Eastern Europe?
    He has been extremely aggressive in non-NATO countries. He has not been in NATO countries.

    NATO is a mutual “self”-defence pact. Not a world defense pact.

    I think it could possibly be replaced with something better (something that includes Australia and Japan for example, and not Turkey). But I sure wouldn’t want it to be scrapped with nothing in its place.

    The world isnt going to change things like that for Donald Trump. He’ll be gone in 2 to 6 years. His replacement will be probably be a sane person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Is NATO still useful?

    Donald Trump doesn't think so. And I guess his opinion is the one that counts.

    After all, he IS the President. And Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. And, at least allegedly, the 'Leader of the Free World'.

    'Allegedly'.
    I don’t know why Americans use that phrase. If the free world followed a foreign leader it wouldn’t be free.

    It’s logically impossible for a “free” country to be lead by another country. It doesn’t make sense.

    The US is the “Fist” of the free world. It’s the “muscle” of the free world.

    Free people don’t follow leaders they didn’t elect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    He has been extremely aggressive in non-NATO countries. He has not been in NATO countries.

    NATO is a mutual “self”-defence pact. Not a world defense pact.

    I think it could possibly be replaced with something better (something that includes Australia and Japan for example, and not Turkey). But I sure wouldn’t want it to be scrapped with nothing in its place.

    The world isnt going to change things like that for Donald Trump. He’ll be gone in 2 to 6 years. His replacement will be probably be a sane person.
    I thought the United States was a "NATO country".

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