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    I'm a bit of an oddball, since I'm a liberal prepper. For those who don't know, preppers are people who are unusually focused on preparing for disaster scenarios. It covers a wide range of behaviors from those who have just-slightly-more-than-usual gear in case of common crises like extended blackouts, all the way up to people who have fallout shelters and vast paramilitary arsenals.

    I'm towards the low end of that scale. My prep consists of having a generator, a week's worth of gasoline, a decently equipped bug-out bag, a big first-aid kit, fifty gallons of fresh water, several months of dry food, a couple canisters of propane for cooking, a couple hard-copy books on survival, a big bottle of antibiotics in the freezer, a revolver, a rifle/shotgun combo, plenty of ammunition, a thousand dollars in cash, three thousand dollars in gold, some water purification equipment, and a decent amount of know-how when it comes to first aid, camping, foraging, etc. In what preppers call a SHTF scenario (where there's no public utilities and you can't count on the police, for an extended period), my family would be in relatively good shape for a couple months.

    As part of educating myself about what I'd need, I immersed myself in prepper webpages, podcasts, and the like. For the most part, it's a lot of crazy far-right-wing types. Especially in the late Obama era, the prepper world was driven by conservative conspiracy theorists who not only expected the world to fall apart shortly, but who seemed to have a barely-veiled eagerness to watch it happen. Now, with liberals concerned about the tone in America under Trump, and concerned about what could happen with an unhinged narcissist rattling the nuclear saber, I see a growing number of liberals thinking in prepping terms. However, what I don't see is the eagerness with which conservatives so often think about the SHTF scenarios. With liberals, it usually seems like an over-abundance of caution in the face of fears they hope won't come to pass, whereas with too many conservatives it seems to be about laying the groundwork for a Mad Max fantasy of back-to-basics manhood.

    The other difference I see is a greater realism among liberals about the importance of community in a crisis. Many conservative preppers have a romantic vision of themselves as the rugged individualist surviving in the wilderness as society comes crashing down. But when you look at real historical crises, like people surviving in the bombed-out ruins after WWII, or following major earthquakes or plagues, the single most important tool for survival was having a small community of people you could depend on, whether that's your neighbors or your extended family. Even a healthy male in his prime is asking for trouble trying to survive solo in a crisis. All you need is an ill-timed flu or broken bone and you're going to be lucky to survive. And if you've got kids to look after, trying to do it without community help is going to be all the tougher. In a realistic crisis scenario, you may need to head out and stand in line for hours for a food ration, or travel far and wide trying to forage food, and in that scenario you're going to want to know that the more vulnerable members of your family have plenty of people around who will watch out for them in your absence.

    That's why I suspect that if things really were to fall apart, a lot of conservative and libertarian preppers would be in trouble. Having done their mental prep work based on post-apocalyptic fiction scenarios, rather than informed by real historical crises, they may be poorly prepared. Having a hardened bunker is of little use if you get sick and there's nobody there to take care of you. And that's not even to get into those who spend huge amount of money arming themselves to the teeth with assault weapons, and yet will be effectively disabled the minute their diabetes medicine runs out.

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    Each of my vehicles have a "Get Home Bag" in them and I keep a "Bug Out Bag" at my home and apartment. We have two bug out locations depending upon what the situation is and how long I think it will last. There's our farm which would be preferred but if needed there is our cabin in the North Georgia Mountains. As for preps, I think that we could sustain ourselves long enough to get a harvest. I also own three pre-1976 vehicles.

    Do I think that this stuff will ever be necessary? No, not really but I'd rather have it and never need it, then need it and not have it. One thing that many people do not think about is getting home to your preps. If it happens you may be at work, the store, or traveling. How do you get home?

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    I don't have items stored. I realized a long time ago that I would be unable to store the things I need in a disaster. What I did instead was purchase reloading equipment and certain guns.

    I always figure as long as I have this, I won't starve to death. I will find a prepper and persuade him to share with me. Like Al Capone said, "You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    I'm a bit of an oddball, since I'm a liberal prepper. For those who don't know, preppers are people who are unusually focused on preparing for disaster scenarios. It covers a wide range of behaviors from those who have just-slightly-more-than-usual gear in case of common crises like extended blackouts, all the way up to people who have fallout shelters and vast paramilitary arsenals.

    I'm towards the low end of that scale. My prep consists of having a generator, a week's worth of gasoline, a decently equipped bug-out bag, a big first-aid kit, fifty gallons of fresh water, several months of dry food, a couple canisters of propane for cooking, a couple hard-copy books on survival, a big bottle of antibiotics in the freezer, a revolver, a rifle/shotgun combo, plenty of ammunition, a thousand dollars in cash, three thousand dollars in gold, some water purification equipment, and a decent amount of know-how when it comes to first aid, camping, foraging, etc. In what preppers call a SHTF scenario (where there's no public utilities and you can't count on the police, for an extended period), my family would be in relatively good shape for a couple months.

    As part of educating myself about what I'd need, I immersed myself in prepper webpages, podcasts, and the like. For the most part, it's a lot of crazy far-right-wing types. Especially in the late Obama era, the prepper world was driven by conservative conspiracy theorists who not only expected the world to fall apart shortly, but who seemed to have a barely-veiled eagerness to watch it happen. Now, with liberals concerned about the tone in America under Trump, and concerned about what could happen with an unhinged narcissist rattling the nuclear saber, I see a growing number of liberals thinking in prepping terms. However, what I don't see is the eagerness with which conservatives so often think about the SHTF scenarios. With liberals, it usually seems like an over-abundance of caution in the face of fears they hope won't come to pass, whereas with too many conservatives it seems to be about laying the groundwork for a Mad Max fantasy of back-to-basics manhood.

    The other difference I see is a greater realism among liberals about the importance of community in a crisis. Many conservative preppers have a romantic vision of themselves as the rugged individualist surviving in the wilderness as society comes crashing down. But when you look at real historical crises, like people surviving in the bombed-out ruins after WWII, or following major earthquakes or plagues, the single most important tool for survival was having a small community of people you could depend on, whether that's your neighbors or your extended family. Even a healthy male in his prime is asking for trouble trying to survive solo in a crisis. All you need is an ill-timed flu or broken bone and you're going to be lucky to survive. And if you've got kids to look after, trying to do it without community help is going to be all the tougher. In a realistic crisis scenario, you may need to head out and stand in line for hours for a food ration, or travel far and wide trying to forage food, and in that scenario you're going to want to know that the more vulnerable members of your family have plenty of people around who will watch out for them in your absence.

    That's why I suspect that if things really were to fall apart, a lot of conservative and libertarian preppers would be in trouble. Having done their mental prep work based on post-apocalyptic fiction scenarios, rather than informed by real historical crises, they may be poorly prepared. Having a hardened bunker is of little use if you get sick and there's nobody there to take care of you. And that's not even to get into those who spend huge amount of money arming themselves to the teeth with assault weapons, and yet will be effectively disabled the minute their diabetes medicine runs out.
    Know lots of preppers here in New England. Wonder if its more popular here than elsewhere? I have seen some prepper communities in Idaho but they are more group preppers than individual ones. I also have to think our harsh winters where we can go weeks without electricity and heat has caused many of us to become preppers?
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    I live in an area plagued by natural disasters, so I always have plenty of canned food, batteries and bottled water available in the monsoon season. I have tools in the car and always carry a Leatherman, but that's about it for my level of preparedness.
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    I guess I'm somewhat a prepper.
    Up north I've heated my home with a coal stove for over 30 years and I do have a generator for power failures.
    I have a handgun and a shotgun and an alarm system.
    Here in Florida I've got nothing but my handgun and a couple of pints of Ben&Jerries New York Superfudge.
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    Definitely not a prepper, but I know how to make beer and always have a a few kegs on hand and a pretty good sized overstock of grains and yeast for the next few batches just in case the homebrew shop shuts down. That's really the only thing I'm prepared for. Actually that's not true... I'm pretty handy. But definitely no stockpiles of canned food. It's amazing to me how many people who claim to be preppers don't know anything about carpentry or anything mechancial at all. I guess their plan is to just hide in the basement eating cans of beans.

    I figure if the SHTF I'll just try my hand at looting local stores and then go get drunk until it blows over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Definitely not a prepper, but I know how to make beer and always have a a few kegs on hand and a pretty good sized overstock of grains and yeast for the next few batches just in case the homebrew shop shuts down. That's really the only thing I'm prepared for. Actually that's not true... I'm pretty handy. But definitely no stockpiles of canned food. It's amazing to me how many people who claim to be preppers don't know anything about carpentry or anything mechancial at all. I guess their plan is to just hide in the basement eating cans of beans.

    I figure if the SHTF I'll just try my hand at looting local stores and then go get drunk until it blows over.
    You could probably barter your beer for anything you want or need!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    You could probably barter your beer for anything you want or need!
    Yeah, but then I might have to be aware of what's going on "out there".

    I'll think about it, over a beer.
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