View Poll Results: Which Group Is Better?

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  • Conservatives are superior to Liberals

    1 7.14%
  • Liberals are superior to Conservatives

    5 35.71%
  • Neither group is superior

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    Flibbertigibbet Wonderer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. Many conservatives have disappointed me.
    But no liberals?

    Because many conservatives and many liberals have disappointed me. (And I gather I've returned the favor at least a few times.)

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    I have always felt that no matter what political party one belongs to, the goals are the same. Its how we get there is where the difference lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I have always felt that no matter what political party one belongs to, the goals are the same. Its how we get there is where the difference lies.
    I believe the goals are the same in VERY broad terms but they do start to diverge with detail. (What does "equality" look like? What is "justice"? etc.) And I used to agree the primary difference was in methodology. But there's an extra dose of "I just want to be right (and prove THEM wrong)" which seems to be the driving force these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    But no liberals?

    Because many conservatives and many liberals have disappointed me. (And I gather I've returned the favor at least a few times.)
    Conservatives disappoint me because they seem to be ignoring some pretty obvious corruption going on with the Trump administration because Trump has an R next to his name they can get a lot of their agenda passed.

    Liberals who disappoint me are the impractical ones who will only accept the purest of pure liberals and allow people like Donald Trump to be elected because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Conservatives disappoint me because they seem to be ignoring some pretty obviously corruption going on with the Trump administration because Trump has an R next to his name they can get a lot of their agenda passed.

    Liberals who disappoint me are the impractical ones who will only accept the purest of pure liberals and allow people like Donald Trump to elected because of it.
    I do think unfortunately we might be entering an era where that is commonplace. People will ignore anything if their side does it because its their side. I am seeing this nowadays in many other areas as well, people are called names if they dont like certain tv shows or sports teams or music. Its like everything is taken personally. Politics has now become the same, its ours and we must defend it to the death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    One recurring theme which emerges from discussions on this board (and other political boards) is that one ideological/political group is clearly superior to the other. Which one, naturally, most often depends on a poster's own views. So I'm curious as to how this shakes out here at PH.

    ETA: Please feel free to elaborate on your reasoning if you'd like.

    I think it depends upon how an individual views change. Folks who'd rather live in the past would naturally prefer conservative ideology over folks who'd prefer to live in the future. The right to vote in the US being extended to non-white, non-male, non-land owners came about due to liberals gaining an upper hand in political power. The abolition of slavery was also an accomplishment of liberal ideology.

    Of course, nowadays, either of those two significant changes that took place within our society are generally accepted as societal norms by both liberals and conservatives, but that was not the case back when those changes occurred. A more recent example of a liberal shift within our society is the granting of the right to legally marry being extended to same sex couples. Many conservatives remain in opposition to that change, just as they long retained an aversion to mixed race couples being granted the right to legally marry back in 1967. Given a few decades, I predict that opposition to same sex marriage will no longer be a staple of conservative ideology.

    There are many such examples of liberal ideals having been realized and then subsequently changing the accepted tenets of conservative ideology. I can't think of any examples of conservative ideals being realized and then subsequently changing the tenets of liberal ideology. Evolution obviously favors liberal ideology over conservative ideology. Otherwise, we wouldn't live in a more progressive society today than did our great, great grandparents. In my opinion, the best aspect of conservatism is the ideology's ability to act as an inertial ballast to prevent our society from evolving too quickly for people to adjust to the changes. A liberal dose of pragmatism is a healthy addition to any ideology, so far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I have always felt that no matter what political party one belongs to, the goals are the same. Its how we get there is where the difference lies.

    The only problem with that idea is that it is quite simply not true. The goals of the Democratic and Republican parties are not even close to being "the same", and anyone who doesn't believe that is obviously not paying attention to what our politicians actually do when they are in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I think it depends upon how an individual views change. Folks who'd rather live in the past would naturally prefer conservative ideology over folks who'd prefer to live in the future. The right to vote in the US being extended to non-white, non-male, non-land owners came about due to liberals gaining an upper hand in political power. The abolition of slavery was also an accomplishment of liberal ideology.

    Of course, nowadays, either of those two significant changes that took place within our society are generally accepted as societal norms by both liberals and conservatives, but that was not the case back when those changes occurred. A more recent example of a liberal shift within our society is the granting of the right to legally marry being extended to same sex couples. Many conservatives remain in opposition to that change, just as they long retained an aversion to mixed race couples being granted the right to legally marry back in 1967. Given a few decades, I predict that opposition to same sex marriage will no longer be a staple of conservative ideology.

    There are many such examples of liberal ideals having been realized and then subsequently changing the accepted tenets of conservative ideology. I can't think of any examples of conservative ideals being realized and then subsequently changing the tenets of liberal ideology. Evolution obviously favors liberal ideology over conservative ideology. Otherwise, we wouldn't live in a more progressive society today than did our great, great grandparents. In my opinion, the best aspect of conservatism is the ideology's ability to act as an inertial ballast to prevent our society from evolving too quickly for people to adjust to the changes. A liberal dose of pragmatism is a healthy addition to any ideology, so far as I'm concerned.
    That gives solid insight into your views on the respective ideologies. But I'm actually asking about the people/groups themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I do think unfortunately we might be entering an era where that is commonplace. People will ignore anything if their side does it because its their side. I am seeing this nowadays in many other areas as well, people are called names if they dont like certain tv shows or sports teams or music. Its like everything is taken personally. Politics has now become the same, its ours and we must defend it to the death.
    I agree and it is like there is some form of a dogmatic approach to tribalism these days. I remember being though of as 'weird' because I didn't watch reality TV at one point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Yeah - it could definitely be improved upon. I've just observed several comments lately which flat out declare the superiority of one group to the other -- sans qualification. And I wanted to explore that a bit. There's an abundance of black/white, us/them thought being bandied about -- frequently accompanied by an inability or unwillingness to recognize that mote in our own eyes, so to speak. It's just "we're great and they suck" mentality and an increasing disinterest or outright disdain for "others." I don't cotton to this.
    The question itself is incorrect and does not tend to edification (as my Buddhism professor would have said). Rather, the question should be which ideas are superior, not which people are superior.
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