View Poll Results: Which Group Is Better?

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  • Conservatives are superior to Liberals

    1 7.14%
  • Liberals are superior to Conservatives

    5 35.71%
  • Neither group is superior

    8 57.14%
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    I don't look at Trump as a Republican. He is a rightie, but he can't easily be fit into the mold of a political party. He's certainly not a team player. Trump is just Trump, and rather than leading the Republicans he's got them by the neck and he's dragging them along with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I don't look at Trump as a Republican. He is a rightie, but he can't easily be fit into the mold of a political party. He's certainly not a team player. Trump is just Trump, and rather than leading the Republicans he's got them by the neck and he's dragging them along with him.
    I don't even look at him as a "rightie" -- he's not really ideological. He's transactional. That said, he's positioned himself as a rightie and he is more of the right than the left at present (though certainly not always and not in all ways.) Above all else, he is Trump. And all that that carries with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I don't look at Trump as a Republican. He is a rightie, but he can't easily be fit into the mold of a political party. He's certainly not a team player. Trump is just Trump, and rather than leading the Republicans he's got them by the neck and he's dragging them along with him.

    He wouldn't be dragging Republicans anywhere, had they not elected him. I'm sure that Trump got a few protest votes from left-wingers who supported Bernie or Jill Stein, but he was placed into office by the Republican electorate. They can't really blame it on Hillary Clinton being a flawed candidate either, since they had about 16 other Republicans that they could have supported instead of Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I don't even look at him as a "rightie" -- he's not really ideological. He's transactional. That said, he's positioned himself as a rightie and he is more of the right than the left at present (though certainly not always and not in all ways.) Above all else, he is Trump. And all that that carries with it.
    Like it or not, Donald Trump has converted the Republican Party to Trumpism. Indeed, the only principle the Republican Party seems to have left is loyalty to the person of Donald Trump. The FEW Republicans who have truly spoken out against Trump----Republicans like Jeff Flake and John McCain----have basically been invited to leave the party, whether by death or by leaving office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    He wouldn't be dragging Republicans anywhere, had they not elected him. I'm sure that Trump got a few protest votes from left-wingers who supported Bernie or Jill Stein, but he was placed into office by the Republican electorate. They can't really blame it on Hillary Clinton being a flawed candidate either, since they had about 16 other Republicans that they could have supported instead of Trump.
    I am not suggesting they didn't vote for him. Just that they didn't expect he would be such a chaotic president, shredding any precedent or tradition he came across, not to mention other inconvenient things like class, professionalism, and teamwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Like it or not, Donald Trump has converted the Republican Party to Trumpism. Indeed, the only principle the Republican Party seems to have left is loyalty to the person of Donald Trump. The FEW Republicans who have truly spoken out against Trump----Republicans like Jeff Flake and John McCain----have basically been invited to leave the party, whether by death or by leaving office.
    I don't like it one bit. Hence my opposition to Trump from Day 1. There are more than just Flake and McCain (with whom I have other issues). E.g., Sasse, Romney. Rubio at times. Paul at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I am not suggesting they didn't vote for him. Just that they didn't expect he would be such a chaotic president, shredding any precedent or tradition he came across, not to mention other inconvenient things like class, professionalism, and teamwork.

    It's not as if Donald Trump was an unknown quantity. If Republicans excepted him to be anything besides what his history as a public persona indicated that he would be, then they were so naive as to deserve no sympathy whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I am not suggesting they didn't vote for him. Just that they didn't expect he would be such a chaotic president, shredding any precedent or tradition he came across, not to mention other inconvenient things like class, professionalism, and teamwork.
    Or they did, but ultimately decided he was better (for their own political reasons?) than the alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I don't like it one bit. Hence my opposition to Trump from Day 1. There are more than just Flake and McCain (with whom I have other issues). E.g., Sasse, Romney. Rubio at times. Paul at times.
    Bob Corker is another one. He actually said THIS about Trump: "I think world leaders are very aware that much of what he says is untrue."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Its just peaking now but the process was happening a decade ago.
    We do not know that it is peaking now. We just know that it has taken a while to climb to this point. Whether it is still rising is yet to be seen.
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