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    Is china straight-up bribing donald trump?

    The president suddenly softens on a Chinese business after Beijing bankrolls a Trump Organization project.

    BY BESS LEVIN
    MAY 15, 2018 12:00 PM

    When Donald Trump announced on Sunday night that he was riding to the rescue of Chinese electronics maker ZTE, more than a few people, including those who work for him, were shocked. For one thing, Trump has long-claimed that China “is raping us” through unfair trade practices, and stealing American jobs. For another, the U.S. and Beijing are currently locked in tense negotiations to avoid a protracted trade war, thanks to the president’s decision to slap Chinese imports with a vast array of tariffs. For yet another, just a month prior, Trump’s own Commerce Department had banned shipments of American technology to ZTE for seven years, saying that the company violated American sanctions against countries including Iran and North Korea and lied about punishing employees for doing so. As a result, ZTE halted major operating activities—an outcome you’d have expected to please the president, considering he’d just imposed aluminum and steel tariffs on “national security” grounds, and ZTE was threatening national security. So it was a bit odd to see Trump pull a complete 180, suddenly insisting that the company and its 75,000 Chinese jobs must be saved, though to be fair, tweeting “Look, China just pumped $500 million into a Trump Organization project so I had to do them a solid” might not have gone over so well.

    Oh, that’s right—according to multiple news outlets, the president’s total about-face on China came just 72 hours after the developer of a theme park outside Jakarta, known as MNC Lido City, with whom the Trump Organization has an agreement to license its name, signed a deal to receive $500 million in Chinese government loans, in addition to another $500 million from government banks. According to Agence France-Presse, the Trump Organization will rake in almost $3.7 million in licensing and consulting payments from Lido, along with another project in Bali. The company will also earn management fees, and be “eligible for additional unspecified incentives.” (Upon entering the White House, Trump turned over day-to-day management of the family business to his sons Donny Jr. and Eric, but chose not to divest himself financially from the company.)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...nald-trump-zte
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    Our Supreme Court has seen fit to make it next to IMPOSSIBLE to convict any American politician of accepting bribes.

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    Yeap. It's a bribe no doubt about it. I wonder how far the lawsuit has gotten against Trump for keeping his business' and receiving money and other benefits from foreign gov't? I think we can add this one to the list they can use to say he is violating the constituion=Nope, looks like they can't this judge may have judge only wants to deal with Trump properties in Washington.Oh Well since Trump's business is in New York they can always file it a separate law suit for the China bribe to Trump.

    On Monday morning, a liberal watchdog group filed a lawsuit against President Trump, alleging he’d violated a previously obscure provision in the Constitution, the “Emoluments Clause.”

    The watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said that the clause prohibits Trump-owned businesses from accepting payments from foreign governments.

    They asked a court to stop Trump’s businesses from taking them now.

    “This cannot be allowed,” the group wrote in its legal complaint.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8282ff47e007

    Update as of March 28, 2018= Looks like the law suit is going ahead

    https://www.npr.org/2018/03/28/59773...wed-to-proceed

    A federal judge has ruled that a lawsuit alleging President Trump is violating the anti-corruption sections of the Constitution, known as the emoluments clauses, can proceed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Our Supreme Court has seen fit to make it next to IMPOSSIBLE to convict any American politician of accepting bribes.
    Cite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    The president suddenly softens on a Chinese business after Beijing bankrolls a Trump Organization project.

    BY BESS LEVIN
    MAY 15, 2018 12:00 PM

    When Donald Trump announced on Sunday night that he was riding to the rescue of Chinese electronics maker ZTE, more than a few people, including those who work for him, were shocked. For one thing, Trump has long-claimed that China “is raping us” through unfair trade practices, and stealing American jobs. For another, the U.S. and Beijing are currently locked in tense negotiations to avoid a protracted trade war, thanks to the president’s decision to slap Chinese imports with a vast array of tariffs. For yet another, just a month prior, Trump’s own Commerce Department had banned shipments of American technology to ZTE for seven years, saying that the company violated American sanctions against countries including Iran and North Korea and lied about punishing employees for doing so. As a result, ZTE halted major operating activities—an outcome you’d have expected to please the president, considering he’d just imposed aluminum and steel tariffs on “national security” grounds, and ZTE was threatening national security. So it was a bit odd to see Trump pull a complete 180, suddenly insisting that the company and its 75,000 Chinese jobs must be saved, though to be fair, tweeting “Look, China just pumped $500 million into a Trump Organization project so I had to do them a solid” might not have gone over so well.

    Oh, that’s right—according to multiple news outlets, the president’s total about-face on China came just 72 hours after the developer of a theme park outside Jakarta, known as MNC Lido City, with whom the Trump Organization has an agreement to license its name, signed a deal to receive $500 million in Chinese government loans, in addition to another $500 million from government banks. According to Agence France-Presse, the Trump Organization will rake in almost $3.7 million in licensing and consulting payments from Lido, along with another project in Bali. The company will also earn management fees, and be “eligible for additional unspecified incentives.” (Upon entering the White House, Trump turned over day-to-day management of the family business to his sons Donny Jr. and Eric, but chose not to divest himself financially from the company.)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...nald-trump-zte
    How is Don jr divested from Trump is the question. Trump leaving operations to Don and Eric does not mean that Don is not working both ends.

    I just want Trump supporters to be honest and admit Trump is working the Presidency to make cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Cite?
    I was thinking of this case: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/u...-virginia.html

    Wasn't that guy just PLAIN accepting bribes, and got completely off the hook?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I was thinking of this case: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/u...-virginia.html

    Wasn't that guy just PLAIN accepting bribes, and got completely off the hook?
    The Supreme Court issued a unanimous opinion, with no concurrences (and, obviously, no dissents). I have not read the opinion itself (I just pulled it up now, linked from the article), but its essential holding, in answer to your question, is "no."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The Supreme Court issued a unanimous opinion, with no concurrences (and, obviously, no dissents). I have not read the opinion itself (I just pulled it up now, linked from the article), but its essential holding, in answer to your question, is "no."
    Robert McDonnell certainly seemed to ME to be accepting bribes, and he got off 'scot-free', as the saying goes......

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    The president suddenly softens on a Chinese business after Beijing bankrolls a Trump Organization project.

    BY BESS LEVIN
    MAY 15, 2018 12:00 PM

    When Donald Trump announced on Sunday night that he was riding to the rescue of Chinese electronics maker ZTE, more than a few people, including those who work for him, were shocked. For one thing, Trump has long-claimed that China “is raping us” through unfair trade practices, and stealing American jobs. For another, the U.S. and Beijing are currently locked in tense negotiations to avoid a protracted trade war, thanks to the president’s decision to slap Chinese imports with a vast array of tariffs. For yet another, just a month prior, Trump’s own Commerce Department had banned shipments of American technology to ZTE for seven years, saying that the company violated American sanctions against countries including Iran and North Korea and lied about punishing employees for doing so. As a result, ZTE halted major operating activities—an outcome you’d have expected to please the president, considering he’d just imposed aluminum and steel tariffs on “national security” grounds, and ZTE was threatening national security. So it was a bit odd to see Trump pull a complete 180, suddenly insisting that the company and its 75,000 Chinese jobs must be saved, though to be fair, tweeting “Look, China just pumped $500 million into a Trump Organization project so I had to do them a solid” might not have gone over so well.

    Oh, that’s right—according to multiple news outlets, the president’s total about-face on China came just 72 hours after the developer of a theme park outside Jakarta, known as MNC Lido City, with whom the Trump Organization has an agreement to license its name, signed a deal to receive $500 million in Chinese government loans, in addition to another $500 million from government banks. According to Agence France-Presse, the Trump Organization will rake in almost $3.7 million in licensing and consulting payments from Lido, along with another project in Bali. The company will also earn management fees, and be “eligible for additional unspecified incentives.” (Upon entering the White House, Trump turned over day-to-day management of the family business to his sons Donny Jr. and Eric, but chose not to divest himself financially from the company.)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...nald-trump-zte
    I don't think there's any doubt about it. Their first bribes involved awarding Ivanka "Trump" trademarks to which she was not entitled under Chinese law -- trademarks that had been long denied before Trump became president. That succeeded in getting Trump to break his promise about labeling China a currency manipulator. With bribery having worked so well that time, of course they're going to continue to do it. They can throw him a couple million bucks of bribe in exchange for a few billion dollars worth of economic advantage for themselves.

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