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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That is not what the left says. It is, however, the opposite of what the right says about them, and is also what the right says about itself.
    I think for many out there, the issue is more complex. The right has attempted to be the "family party" and has fallen way short. So I suppose then it becomes, if one party says "we are going to change and be a different party that allows immoral behavior etc" do we want both parties to be that? Or do we want the other party to become the family party? I just dont think most voters want both parties to be the same whether thats the good two shoes party or the immoral party where anything goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Who the FUCK said that? Anyone? Anyone here? Ever?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That is not what the left says. It is, however, the opposite of what the right says about them, and is also what the right says about itself.
    I hit the nail on​ the head.

    This is a nothing story except for the left. Outrage over everything involving anything politically to the​ "right".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I am discussing the code of conduct and the code of conduct only. If something in the article trips your trigger, please feel free to discuss it in the other two thousand threads provided for your viewing pleasure.

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    The left needs to stop answering to the right. The right isn't even answering to the right. We need to STOP throwing people under the bus because THEY say so. Al Franken immediately springs to mind.

    Here's my equivalency: If someone on the right has done it (or similar) and it was no harm, no foul? Then don't judge the person on the left.

    For instance? I will not tolerate the 4,528,936th rehash of the Clinton marriage, because Trump.

    I won't hear shit about Obama being gay and Michelle being a man, because it's disgusting. There's really nothing to compare it to on the right. #GEEIWONDERWHY.

    You can zip it on Hillary forevermore, and I'd be happy to provide specifics. Because I personally am well beyond done with the left being held to a higher standard.

    Done.

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    What happened to Franken was absurd. It really was just an attempt to shame the conservatives into applying some standards, no matter how low. The liberals seemed to think the conservatives could be embarrassed into it if only the left enforced high standards, in a draconian way, on their own. That was a strategic blunder. You can't shame the right into doing anything, because they have no sense of shame.

    I'm particularly disgusted by the "last straw" in the Franken case. Basically, he was accused of trying to hug and kiss someone after a TV appearance. People hug and kiss casual acquaintances all the time in show biz. It's customary behavior in that culture. And there was no sign Franken forced himself on anyone. But, in the context of the left looking for one of its own to sacrifice to show its purity, that was enough to end his Senate career.

    Anyway, the one thing we can thank Trump for is the fact that he made conservative hypocrisy --long obvious to anyone who looked at it honestly-- so comically obvious that even right-wingers can't miss it. To see Evangelical conservatives lining up behind Trump, the very avatar of the seven deadly sins, after they spent years pretending to be scandalized by minor vulgarity or a little marital infidelity by Democrats, just shows how soulless such people really are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think for many out there, the issue is more complex. The right has attempted to be the "family party" and has fallen way short. So I suppose then it becomes, if one party says "we are going to change and be a different party that allows immoral behavior etc" do we want both parties to be that? Or do we want the other party to become the family party? I just dont think most voters want both parties to be the same whether thats the good two shoes party or the immoral party where anything goes.
    I don't think the right ever attempted to be the "family party" in terms of conduct.... merely in terms of rhetoric. They've long been the more sinful party in terms of how the behavior of their leading figures stacks up against their supposed moral code. For example, Reagan and Trump are the only presidents to leave their wives... and Trump did it twice. Other leading Republicans also have a lousy track record when it comes to marital fidelity. McCain left this wife for his mistress. Bob Dole divorced his wife. Newt Gingrich has had three wives, as has Giuliani. By comparison, every Democratic president has been married exactly once, and the leading figures of the party today are dedicated to their families: Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, etc. It's a matter of one party talking the talk to get the evangelical base worked up to vote for them, while the other party actually makes the effort to live morally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think for many out there, the issue is more complex. The right has attempted to be the "family party" and has fallen way short. So I suppose then it becomes, if one party says "we are going to change and be a different party that allows immoral behavior etc" do we want both parties to be that? Or do we want the other party to become the family party? I just dont think most voters want both parties to be the same whether thats the good two shoes party or the immoral party where anything goes.
    If politicians weren't selling identity politics in the first place, we all wouldn't be making choices about politicians based on lifestyle marketing.

    Job performance should outweigh the personal flaws of any politician. The fact the media is still focused on shredding Bill Clinton over his affair 20 years later instead of discussing the legacy his presidency left on Americans.

    Besides, when the fuck is the media going to apologize to Monica Lewinsky?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    If politicians weren't selling identity politics in the first place, we all wouldn't be making choices about politicians based on lifestyle marketing.

    Job performance should outweigh the personal flaws of any politician. The fact the media is still focused on shredding Bill Clinton over his affair 20 years later instead of discussing the legacy his presidency left on Americans.

    Besides, when the fuck is the media going to apologize to Monica Lewinsky?
    Well thats why its complex. If voters didnt care, then it wouldnt matter who got elected. But it seems some do care or at least say they care. I really dont understand it. Even our founding fathers had glaring faults and issues yet they are revered. Several of them had pretty nasty personal lives and scandals but were decent presidents. I do think that can happen. I have to wonder if there were people even back then running around pointing out their faults? Or didnt people care then? Is it even a recent thing made more glaring by social media?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberthughey View Post
    I hit the nail on​ the head.

    This is a nothing story except for the left. Outrage over everything involving anything politically to the​ "right".
    What you're doing with that post is exactly what the OP warns against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberthughey View Post
    I hit the nail on​ the head.
    Sounds more like you hit yourself on the head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    I love it. You are right. The whole ideal of acting with restraint while the opposition takes the lowest of all low roads is wrong-minded and also a stupid approach to politics.

    For the good of our country which is under siege, we have to tell our Reps in Washington to play hardball. To call out every single lie, conspiracy, insult to intelligence, and especially every assault on our Constitution and on common decency.

    The GOP en mass is either complicit or silent as Trump and company crashes and burns our democracy.

    Grow a pair!! Say it louder and more often.




    it is delusional to think you and your ilk are acting "with restraint".


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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Well thats why its complex. If voters didnt care, then it wouldnt matter who got elected. But it seems some do care or at least say they care. I really dont understand it. Even our founding fathers had glaring faults and issues yet they are revered. Several of them had pretty nasty personal lives and scandals but were decent presidents. I do think that can happen. I have to wonder if there were people even back then running around pointing out their faults? Or didnt people care then? Is it even a recent thing made more glaring by social media?
    Well, with Trump, he has made a career out of being an obnoxious prick, and sees no reason to stop now. What gets me is so many of his supporters don't read his tweets! The man has the worst character traits I've ever seen in a public figure. He AIMS to be an asshole.

    I try my best to keep it separate from his acts as president, but it's close to impossible. And his complete lack of concern for anything besides his own glorification makes him dangerous. The good news is we've apparently created such a bureaucracy within the federal government, the country is capable of running itself at this point.

    I worry that eventually, something will happen where he needs to make a an important decision and then what.

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