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    Democracy calls into question after Trump election

    1. According to Roger Scruton, a writer and philosopher: "Democracy is championed as a universal good by the West, but we over-estimate its power to guarantee personal and political freedom."

    Despite being "the best innovator in the world" as claimed by Peter Kent Navarro, America seems to have no talent. It is incredible that not a single good presidential candidate could be found from a population of 327 millions. The fact that a failed businessman cum political misfit can be voted into power in America calls into question the effectiveness of democracy.

    Trump's shocking election victory to rule 327 million Americans has brought disarray to the US government and the entire world. Just imagine the global consequences if there is ever a nationwide election in China, and a "Chinese Donald Trump" is elected to rule one fifth of mankind. It simply means the end of the world.

    2. According to https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/20/p...ler/index.html

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    But Russia is not alone in actively seeking to tarnish the institutions of American democracy -- Trump has acted in a similar way during his presidency, from his jibes at the judiciary to his feuds with intelligence agencies and declaration that the media is an enemy of the people. (End excerpts)

    3. It seems that Russia has succeeded to foment mistrust in the institutions of democracy and government through its alleged support of Trump in the 2016 presidential election. In view of the disarray of his administration, Trump is no different from, if not worse than, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi or Bashar al-Assad, and is the type of stuff a US Democrat President particularly seeks to exterminate if he is ruling in Iraq, Libya or Syria.

    In my opinion, there is no effective political system in the world. Even without the alleged Russian intervention to get Trump into the White House, it's just a matter of time a political misfit will be elected to the pinnacle of power in America to expose practically all the flaws of democracy.

    BBC News - A Point of View: Is democracy overrated?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5cb8bd6ba720

    https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/02/o...nes/index.html

    https://powerorliberty.wordpress.com...-imperfection/

    Imperfections of democracy

    https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world...cid=spartandhp

    McCain in Germany says Trump administration in 'disarray' | Fox News

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    I’m a bit confused with the above which words are Scruton, Navarro or yourself.

    If I’m crediting the right arguments to Scruton, is he not seeming to confuse “democracy” with “The US”?


    The US could turn into The Handmaids Tale for a thousand years, I’m not sure it would affect Democracy in ... say ... New Zealand ... or The Netherlands.

    Both of which are doing very well, stability-wise.

    In all of the bickering over Brexit, not a single group or party in UK or Europe has ever questioned the right of voters to vote, and the necessity of exiting formally according to the proper process. The EU isnt slapping tariffs on the UK, vice versa. They are honouring their existing agreement until they negotiate a new one.

    And all are are very aware of Russia’s MO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    1. According to Roger Scruton, a writer and philosopher: "Democracy is championed as a universal good by the West, but we over-estimate its power to guarantee personal and political freedom."

    Despite being "the best innovator in the world" as claimed by Peter Kent Navarro, America seems to have no talent. It is incredible that not a single good presidential candidate could be found from a population of 327 millions. The fact that a failed businessman cum political misfit can be voted into power in America calls into question the effectiveness of democracy.

    Trump's shocking election victory to rule 327 million Americans has brought disarray to the US government and the entire world. Just imagine the global consequences if there is ever a nationwide election in China, and a "Chinese Donald Trump" is elected to rule one fifth of mankind. It simply means the end of the world.

    2. According to https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/20/p...ler/index.html

    (Begin excerpts)
    But Russia is not alone in actively seeking to tarnish the institutions of American democracy -- Trump has acted in a similar way during his presidency, from his jibes at the judiciary to his feuds with intelligence agencies and declaration that the media is an enemy of the people. (End excerpts)

    3. It seems that Russia has succeeded to foment mistrust in the institutions of democracy and government through its alleged support of Trump in the 2016 presidential election. In view of the disarray of his administration, Trump is no different from, if not worse than, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi or Bashar al-Assad, and is the type of stuff a US Democrat President particularly seeks to exterminate if he is ruling in Iraq, Libya or Syria.

    In my opinion, there is no effective political system in the world. Even without the alleged Russian intervention to get Trump into the White House, it's just a matter of time a political misfit will be elected to the pinnacle of power in America to expose practically all the flaws of democracy.

    BBC News - A Point of View: Is democracy overrated?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5cb8bd6ba720

    https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/02/o...nes/index.html

    https://powerorliberty.wordpress.com...-imperfection/

    Imperfections of democracy

    https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world...cid=spartandhp

    McCain in Germany says Trump administration in 'disarray' | Fox News
    there is only one place a true democracy can be found - Switzerland. the rest of the Western countries are democratic to a certain degree, but not a democracy.

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    I doubt the US is a democratic country. I think it is a covert totalitarian. That's why an unqualified man could steal the seat of presidency.

    POLL: MAJORITY BELIEVE DEEP STATE RULES WASHINGTON
    Unelected group of bureaucratic operatives control levers of power
    Jamie White | Infowars.com - MARCH 20, 2018

    A large majority of Americans across the political spectrum believe that Washington D.C. is controlled by a Deep State of unelected government bureaucrats, according to a new poll.
    A Monmouth University Poll found 60% of those surveyed feel that unelected or appointed government officials wield too much power in determining federal policy.

    The term “Deep State” itself isn’t familiar to most people (63%).

    “However, when the term is described as a group of unelected government and military officials who secretly manipulate or direct national policy, nearly 3-in-4 (74%) say they believe this type of apparatus exists in Washington,” the report said.

    https://www.infowars.com/poll-majori...es-washington/

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