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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Brought our soldiers home from Iraq resulting in less flag draped caskets of our fallen. Even tho, Iraq is ghastly yet, the US tried and gave them the tools they needed to defend their country. The Iraqi government blew that one themselves.
    The US and UK should have never been in Iraq in the first place. Taken in by two warmongers based on lies and deceit. Iraq failed because Bush and Blair weren't extradited to Iraq to be trialled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    The US and UK should have never been in Iraq in the first place. Taken in by two warmongers based on lies and deceit. Iraq failed because Bush and Blair weren't extradited to Iraq to be trialled.
    No argument here mate... We should not have been there is the first place. BUT...we did go, and both Countries tried to help them build a military and the first sign of ISIS, they stripped off their uniforms and ran like wusses. We gave them training and equipment, all they needed but failed. I am just glad Obama pulled out for it had been 10 years. That is plenty of time. Otherwise, we would both be burying soldiers to this day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    I'm intrigued to know what Americans on this forum think Obama did that were considered successes.

    For me, health care but the down side, I don't think he fully thought it through about the costings. But, he had a go.

    Any others? (Consider pros and cons before deciding it was a success).
    I think the biggest thing is preventing the 2007-08 financial meltdown from turning into a global depression on par with the Great Depression. Our economy was growing again by June 2009, and in most ways the economy was better than the pre-recession high by late 2013 (e.g., real GDP per capita had hit a new all-time high).

    I think Obamacare was also a success. We decreased the number of Americans without health insurance, slowed the rate of healthcare cost growth, and actually reversed our long slide down the international rankings of life expectancy.

    Then there's the reduction of budget deficits by more than half, relative to Bush's last budget year.

    And there was the massive improvement in the US's standing around the world, especially among the world's other wealthy democracies.

    And there was reducing the loss of American lives in Iraq and Afghanistan to almost nothing, even as he managed to take out Bin Laden.

    It was also an era of basic competence, when standards were restored in senior federal staffing, after the "Mayberry Machievellis" of the Bush era. That meant things like solid health and education policy, and skillful responses to challenges like Superstorm Sandy (compare to the deadly debacles of Katrina and Maria). Across-the-board things tended to go well in the era: lower violent crime rates, record-low teenage pregnancy, record-low dropout rates, etc.

    Even with things like the response to the Ebola epidemic, you could see the hallmarks of deep expertise and evidence-based decision-making. If you remember, during the Ebola outbreak, the professional imbeciles of Fox News started a shrieking campaign, trying to create a public panic and demanding counter-productive reactions from Obama (e.g., a travel ban to impacted countries, etc.) Obama, ever cool, refused to listen to the Hannitys of this world, instead of the experts, and the Ebola epidemic was brought under control quickly with no transmissions outside the original hot zone. But can you imagine if we had a dimwit as president, who takes his policy cues from Fox and Friends? There's real danger when a crisis hits and leadership is playing to the cheap seats rather than making informed, measured decisions.

    Also, there's Obama's incentivization of energy savings, which meant a big reduction in solar costs and a big improvement of per-GDP carbon emissions.

    Come to think of it, it's hard to think of a single measurable indicator of social or economic well-being that didn't take a pretty profound turn for the better when Obama was at the helm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    He added $9.3 Trillion to the national debt.

    Almost doubled it.

    And in only 8 years!
    As you presumably know, he inherited the largest budget deficit in history and reduced it by well over half. But when you inherit that kind of negative momentum, it's inevitable you will have moved substantially in a negative direction before getting things under control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    The point was to list one after considering the pros and cons to see if it was an actual success. The list above, many have great cons that would make you hard pressed for it to be a success. For example, expanded overtime pay. If was against the law and thus overturned, that ain't a success.
    No you can't rework success. He had many. Most of these issues and solutions were evaluated by everyone before they took a position. The success of his passages are only limited by the do nothing republican Congress and Trump jealously undoing each of them. You can't blame their screw ups on a successful Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    As you presumably know, he inherited the largest budget deficit in history and reduced it by well over half. But when you inherit that kind of negative momentum, it's inevitable you will have moved substantially in a negative direction before getting things under control.
    Obama has the record for largest deficits and for most debt.

    Obama added $9.3 Trillion to the debt in his eight years.

    And, his deficits were rising again in his last year!

    What's up with THAT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    As you presumably know, he inherited the largest budget deficit in history and reduced it by well over half. But when you inherit that kind of negative momentum, it's inevitable you will have moved substantially in a negative direction before getting things under control.
    Obama has the record for largest deficits and for most debt.

    Obama added $9.3 Trillion to the debt in his eight years.

    And, his deficits were rising again in his last year!

    What's up with THAT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    The point was to list one after considering the pros and cons to see if it was an actual success. The list above, many have great cons that would make you hard pressed for it to be a success. For example, expanded overtime pay. If was against the law and thus overturned, that ain't a success.
    And yet we'll certainly disagree on the pros and cons, so the list is great. You might attack each of its points individually for pros and cons if you like.

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    Well the obvious one is nobody in his administration was under investigation for the Russian "thing"

    He did not insult our allies

    He did not bully people

    He did no say disgusting things about women.

    He's not a racist

    He did not have an unhinged twitter feed

    He is not a pathological liar.

    So pretty much the opposite of IQ45
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Well the obvious one is nobody in his administration was under investigation for the Russian "thing"

    He did not insult our allies

    He did not bully people

    He did no say disgusting things about women.

    He's not a racist

    He did not have an unhinged twitter feed

    He is not a pathological liar.

    So pretty much the opposite of IQ45

    No indictments in 8 years. Not to mention no guilty pleas or convictions.

    I kinda miss the days when a political witch hunt really was just a witch hunt.

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