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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I think we could encourage the use of cleaner renewable energy for both the public & private sectors. Roll back tax cuts for the wealthy but increase deductions and credits for increasing energy efficiency, especially for businesses. Increase capital gains taxes to help pay for infrastructure improvements, but create a lower bracket for investment in R&D for renewable and tech that decreases energy consumption.
    can't disagree with that. but is that part of your top three?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Only 3?

    1. Republicans voted out of the House of Representatives.
    2. Republicans voted out of the Senate.
    3. Republicans voted out of the White House.
    actually, I kinda expected that answer (the opposite party) from the right. I'm looking for things which benefit all the citizens, not just one political party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    actually, I kinda expected that answer (the opposite party) from the right. I'm looking for things which benefit all the citizens, not just one political party.

    So am I. I'm just less of an idealist and more of a pragmatist than yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    well, what are the 3 things that top the list of what the citizens want from government? only you, the citizens know that. if you have to pick three, what would they be? the following link shows where federal revenues come from, so that might help (or not).
    https://www.pgpf.org/finding-solutio...budget/revenue
    What "liberal" citizens (and wannabe citizens) want is free stuff, they want others to pay for it, and they want to be free from the consequences of their bad choices.
    But the real purpose of government is to make laws, enforce laws, and resolve disputes regarding laws.
    When it comes to making laws, our legislators have apparently gotten the notion that the purpose of making law is to ensure the indispensability of government. It would be nice if our legislators would try rescinding unnecessary laws and revising bad or ineffective laws. And could they possibly simplify the law? That would be OK. And unfortunately the other two branches of government have tried to get in on the fun of making laws when that's entirely outside their proper function.
    I think I'm a Constitutional originalist, but I'm sure someone will claim otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Single payer health care
    ...would be FUBAR'd if the federal government tried to run it for all 350 million from D.C.
    They've demonstrated their inability to run the VA or medicare efficiently, so I'm certain they can't handle national health care.

    Earned income credit for self employed
    Since EIC is simply a welfare payment, it doesn't make sense to subsidize people who run their own business so poorly that they need a welfare payment to get by. Perhaps those people should work for someone else who's making profit and doesn't need subsidy.

    Decriminalize marijuana, remove it from schedule one
    Or better yet, legalize it outright on the federal level, and let each state do as they wish from there. The feds could pass a small excise tax and also save a ton of enforcement money.
    The current inconsistency between state and federal law is ridiculous, and the fact that weed remains illegal opens the door for selective enforcement.

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    The great equalizer. Access to higher education for all.
    Which would make a college degree utterly worthless, along with wasting tons of tax dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    What "liberal" citizens (and wannabe citizens) want is free stuff, they want others to pay for it, and they want to be free from the consequences of their bad choices.
    But the real purpose of government is to make laws, enforce laws, and resolve disputes regarding laws.
    When it comes to making laws, our legislators have apparently gotten the notion that the purpose of making law is to ensure the indispensability of government. It would be nice if our legislators would try rescinding unnecessary laws and revising bad or ineffective laws. And could they possibly simplify the law? That would be OK. And unfortunately the other two branches of government have tried to get in on the fun of making laws when that's entirely outside their proper function.
    I think I'm a Constitutional originalist, but I'm sure someone will claim otherwise.
    the function of governments is the citizens - all the citizens. the citizens provide the financing and the legitimacy for any government. what is, or may be, provided to the citizens rests on the citizens to finance in a way which is suitable to them. in other words - no citizens, no government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Only 3?

    1. Republicans voted out of the House of Representatives.
    2. Republicans voted out of the Senate.
    3. Republicans voted out of the White House.
    I don't mind Republicans having a voice. Sometimes I see Rand Paul taking a stand on issues where a lot of Democrats fold and cowtow to their donors.

    If the campaign finance issue were resolved, it would improve both parties. In 2008 it was Republicans in the House who led in voting no on TARP initially and I truly believe we'd have been better off if that had held until some oversight was installed in the legislation. I'm still outraged that we the people we're forced to pay to bail those fuckers out. I think that might be an upside to our inevitable enslavement by the Chinese, they would have prosecuted and imprisoned the people who masterminded that clusterfuck of whiz kid failure.

    But regardless, I truly believe a one party system isn't good governance, no matter who's party it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I don't mind Republicans having a voice.

    I'm far past the point of pretending that the Republicans have a voice worth hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Which would make a college degree utterly worthless, along with wasting tons of tax dollars.
    Does that logic apply to elementary education too? Is it worthless to educate people if we allow everyone to get an education?

    I realize some people are really worried that their degree won't be as special, but I think you are overlooking the up side to having a more highly educated population.

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