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    First, the White House wanted the debt ceiling vote separated from spending cuts. Now the administration likes them linked. Then, Obama adamantly vowed to reject any short-term deal to raise the borrowing limit. Now the White House says he could make an exception. And Obama pledged to meet with congressional leaders every day until a deal was reached. But the daily meetings stopped or at least disappeared from the president's schedule.

    The White House shifts have been less a matter of flip-flops and more a case of unforeseen twists forcing the administration to reposition as the Aug. 2 deadline to prevent the U.S. from defaulting on its financial obligations draws ever closer. Friday evening, after anticipation of a deal had built all week, things fell apart when House Speaker John Boehner abruptly broke off the talks.
    Obama Twists, Flip-Flops in Debt Talks

    This guy makes John Kerry look consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbeard View Post
    Obama Twists, Flip-Flops in Debt Talks

    This guy makes John Kerry look consistent.

    It's looking like he's going to get no grand bargain, but the debt ceiling lifted until 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbeard View Post
    Obama Twists, Flip-Flops in Debt Talks

    This guy makes John Kerry look consistent.
    True, If Obama focused on doing what was right for the country rather then worrying about what will help his campaign, he would make better choices. He has been pretty scatterbrained for sure. Never forget Kerry going in to buy that there hunting license.

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    The reality is that we have a political powerplay by both the parties. The prize is to win in the public opinion poll. In the end if there isn't a genuine change in the out of control Federal Spending we all lose. Personal suspicion is that the debt limit will get raised (because it must to prevent the default scenario) and that actual spending cuts will mostly be imaginary.

    The beat goes on. And our politicians on both sides of the aisle live only to be reelected. The likelihood is that we are all just screwed...




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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
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    The reality is that we have a political powerplay by both the parties. The prize is to win in the public opinion poll. In the end if there isn't a genuine change in the out of control Federal Spending we all lose. Personal suspicion is that the debt limit will get raised (because it must to prevent the default scenario) and that actual spending cuts will mostly be imaginary.

    The beat goes on. And our politicians on both sides of the aisle live only to be reelected. The likelihood is that we are all just screwed...




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    Agree. Hope you're wrong though. I mean, I think the dc will be raised. I hope they pass some version of Simpson-Bowles, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
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    The reality is that we have a political powerplay by both the parties. The prize is to win in the public opinion poll. In the end if there isn't a genuine change in the out of control Federal Spending we all lose. Personal suspicion is that the debt limit will get raised (because it must to prevent the default scenario) and that actual spending cuts will mostly be imaginary..
    The fact is we are all screwed unless they pull back on their spending rate. Its 24% of GDP and it should be around 18%. We can't keep spending at this rate and survive. Our government is becoming to much of an entitlement program and its going to come crashing down like Greece. I know people out of work that are on unemployment and welfare that seem to have more money then I do and I'm working full time. I know my taxes are paying for those freeloaders and it can't last forever.




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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    The fact is we are all screwed unless they pull back on their spending rate. Its 24% of GDP and it should be around 18%. We can't keep spending at this rate and survive. Our government is becoming to much of an entitlement program and its going to come crashing down like Greece. I know people out of work that are on unemployment and welfare that seem to have more money then I do and I'm working full time. I know my taxes are paying for those freeloaders and it can't last forever.



    No, it should not be around 18%. The last time it was 18% or under, was in the 1950s (not every year) and 1960s (not every year), which was of, course, pre-Medicare. The only way 18% could be considered "where it should be" is if the GOP plans on abolishing Medicare, which they should tell us, if that is their plan.

    Link (posted in another thread already, but posted here again): http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/pdf/hist.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    It's looking like he's going to get no grand bargain, but the debt ceiling lifted until 2013.
    Just like the health care bill we will get a watered down version that is mostly ineffectual due to partisanship, which just kicks the can down the road.
    Last edited by EnigmaO01; 24th July 2011 at 09:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    True, If Obama focused on doing what was right for the country rather then worrying about what will help his campaign, he would make better choices. He has been pretty scatterbrained for sure. Never forget Kerry going in to buy that there hunting license.
    How one can blame this on one person, the president, puzzles me when you look at the gridlock on both sides of the aisle. Kerry's phony bid for hunter votes has nothing to do with this.

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