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    That made NO sense. Are you ill?
    Why would it? I didn't reply to you. Are you mentally ill and hearing voices?

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    So you are going to use the site?
    Why should I? I've been signed for healthcare for 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Why should I? I've been signed for healthcare for 30 years.
    So you hate this country so bad you want to force people on a bad and unsecured website

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    Personal attacks on me are a waste of your time. Troll someone else.
    A statement of facts with some valid opinion based on your short stay here, is not an attack. Unless you are thinned skinned and a troll yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you hate this country so bad you want to force people on a bad and unsecured website
    Now you're over the edge again. Seek help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Now you're over the edge again. Seek help.
    Stating facts. Why do liberals hate this country so bad they support a bad unsecured website to set people up for identity theft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    Okay, @meridian5455, you wanted me to post a thread, so here ya go-

    There's a new poll out by the WVWV claiming Obamacare is really popular! According to Salon.com, quoting Alternet:



    Never mind Alternet; we all know who they are and what they do; let's take a look at where this claim really comes from and scratch just below the surface:

    See the link ("report" in the fourth line) and look at how the question was phrased:



    First of all, they're asking people to agree with a statement even if it's not how they really feel.
    Secondly, they're shaping the question to pull in those who object because the law is flawed.

    Who was polled and who did the polling:


    Let's look at who conducted the survey; Greenberg Quinlan Rosner:

    It's founder and CEO, Stan Greenberg


    The firm:


    Their mission statement:


    It's clients are a who's who of democrat power players (notably Bill Clinton) , and democratic party committees:
    US Campaigns - and advocacy groups, and progressive organizations, as seen in the client named in the article; the Democracy Corps and the Women’s Voices Women’s Vote Action Fund"

    Now, about this group who commissioned the poll - Democracy Corps and the Women’s Voices Women’s Vote Action Fund.

    This is a progressive advocacy group.


    Their "about us" page:
    What is the predominant ideological preference of single women? "Liberalism", and this is a big target group for the progressive Left.

    It's founder, Page Gardner is a democrat and has worked for democrat campaigns. The rest of the staff are democrats also, and additional info on their deep dem roots can be found here - including that fact that "Executive Director Joe Goode comes directly from Dem Stanley Greenberg's polling and political consulting firm, and formerly worked for Dem Congressman David Price of NC" and VP Anna Greenberg is Stan Greenberg's daughter.


    What's my point? That progressive groups are incestuous and they help each other build the lies that solidify their power. But the lies are after all, still lies.
    Reality is that Obamacare legislation did get pushed into law. And it is now in the process of being implemented.

    All the speculation and projections and polls and hand wringing are now going to have to make way for the real thing. Over the next 12 months Obamacare will either be successful (viewed favorably) or potentially be a bureaucratic mess.

    Game time folks. Ain't just smack talk anymore......
    Thanks from Ginger and Invayne

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Actually most are now signing up through insurance brokers much like the one my SIL started.
    Citation needed.

    Is that because they can't get it done on the website? *koff koff*

    Here's some background on agents assisting with ACA:

    The government announced last month that it’s spending $67 million on staff known as “navigators” to help people enroll in health insurance for next year. But at the same time, it has handed off the enrollment baton to insurance sales agents and brokers, whom insurance companies pay for signing people up for their plans.

    The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services reached agreements with at least five online health insurance brokers,making it possible for people to get their health plans there instead of on the government exchanges—similar to the way consumers can shop for airfare on Expedia or Orbitz rather than buying tickets directly from the airlines.

    “The government is essentially deputizing us to help them enroll more people, which is really important,” says Bryce Williams, managing director of Towers Watson’s exchange solutions and founder of ExtendHealth. “It’s really not the government’s bailiwick.”

    There are a few reasons the government will need help—mainly that their support staff, the Navigators, might not provide the same level of customer support as the private brokerages, some insurance professionals say. While the Department of Health and Human Services expanded the reach of the Navigators—federal funding increased $13 million from the $54 million originally planned—it also tied their hands from performing the key role that brokers have always played in insurance enrollment: Navigators are not allowed to advise consumers on which plan to choose.

    In prohibiting Navigators from making recommendations or directing consumers to health plans, the government intended to rid the new health exchange marketplace of the biased influence of the insurance industry—namely, agents and brokers who earn commissions for enrolling people in certain plans. The Navigators are not allowed to have any ties to health insurers or carriers, and have to undergo about 30 hours of online training, which teaches them to remain neutral and avoid bias.

    Of course, unlike the government, brokers earn commissions for enrolling people in certain insurance plans, which a fact that surely informs their advice, consumer advocates say.

    Meet Obamacare?s insurance salesmen - MarketWatch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Why would it?
    You should want to be coherent, that's why.
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    I didn't reply to you.
    Irrelevant.
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    Are you mentally ill and hearing voices?
    No. Are you?

    Why are you so angry and rude? Does what work for you as a tactic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    A statement of facts with some valid opinion based on your short stay here, is not an attack. Unless you are thinned skinned and a troll yourself.
    My OP was entirely fact based. Not sure why you have issue with that, unless it endangers your ideological agenda. Ah.......that's the rub; got it.

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