Page 1 of 13 12311 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 121
Thanks Tree57Thanks

Thread: The tentacles of progressive organizations

  1. #1
    Banned Camp
    Joined
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    6,958
    Thanks
    2644

    From
    USA

    The tentacles of progressive organizations

    Okay, @meridian5455, you wanted me to post a thread, so here ya go-

    There's a new poll out by the WVWV claiming Obamacare is really popular! According to Salon.com, quoting Alternet:

    GOP’s nightmare come true: Obamacare more popular than ever

    The GOP-led federal government shutdown over Obamacare has dramatically backfired on Republicans. Nearly two-thirds of active voters, the largest share yet, support the health insurance reform law and want it to work, new nationwide polling has found.

    “A new national survey conducted for Democracy Corps and the Women’s Voices Women’s Vote Action Fund shows an intense new majority for implementing and improving the Affordable Care Act,” the report begins. “A minority of voters want to repeal or replace ‘Obamacare,’ which has been the core demand of the Republicans in Congress who have shut down the government.”

    Contrary to mainstream media, Obamacare is not unpopular, the survey by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner found. Instead, 62 percent of 2012 voters polled a week into the House’s shutdown strongly supported the law. That is an increase from late September, when a New York Times/CBS poll found that 56 percent of voters wanted it upheld and fixed. The share of people fervertly opposing the law is fixed at 38 percent, both surveys found, showing that support for the Affordable Care Act is growing.
    GOP?s nightmare come true: Obamacare more popular than ever - Salon.com
    Never mind Alternet; we all know who they are and what they do; let's take a look at where this claim really comes from and scratch just below the surface:

    See the link ("report" in the fourth line) and look at how the question was phrased:

    "I'm going to read to you a pair of statements. After I read both statements, please tell me which one comes closer to your own opinion, even if neither is exactly right.

    We should implement and fix the health care reform law. (58%)

    We should repeal and replace the health care reform law. (38%)
    First of all, they're asking people to agree with a statement even if it's not how they really feel.
    Secondly, they're shaping the question to pull in those who object because the law is flawed.

    Who was polled and who did the polling:
    Based on a national survey conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner for Democracy Corps and Women’s Voices Women Vote Action Fund. The survey of 950 2012 voters (1150 unweighted) nationwide, including 860 likely 2014 voters, was conducted from October 6-8, 2013. Unless otherwise noted, overall margin of error= +/-3.18 percentage points at 95% confidence.
    Let's look at who conducted the survey; Greenberg Quinlan Rosner:

    It's founder and CEO, Stan Greenberg
    Stanley Bernard "Stan" Greenberg (born May 10, 1945) is a leading Democratic pollster and political strategist who has advised the campaigns of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry, as well as hundreds of other candidates and organizations in the United States and around the world, including the former Bundeskanzler (Chancellor of Germany) Gerhard Schröder and the former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Michael Häupl and the Austrian SPÖ.
    Stan Greenberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The firm:
    Greenberg Quinlan Rosner is a public opinion polling company. It was founded by Stan Greenberg, and is based in Washington, D.C. The firm primarily does work for Democratic candidates and liberal causes.[1]
    Greenberg Quinlan Rosner - Ballotpedia
    Their mission statement:
    Greenberg Quinlan Rosner is one of the world's premier research and strategic consulting firms. We specialize in political polling and campaign strategy, helping political candidates, parties, advocacy groups, and ballot initiatives succeed across the United States and around the globe. GQR also supports some of the world's leading corporations and business executives in navigating changing global trends and improving their performance, reputation, and profitability.
    Who we are
    It's clients are a who's who of democrat power players (notably Bill Clinton) , and democratic party committees:
    US Campaigns - and advocacy groups, and progressive organizations, as seen in the client named in the article; the Democracy Corps and the Women’s Voices Women’s Vote Action Fund"

    Now, about this group who commissioned the poll - Democracy Corps and the Women’s Voices Women’s Vote Action Fund.

    This is a progressive advocacy group.

    Women's Voices. Women Vote.
    "Women's Voices. Women Vote is a project to determine how to increase the share of unmarried women in the electorate and develop a set of messages to motivate their participation. Historically, this group of citizens has been ignored by traditional voter registration and GOTV efforts. Yet, these women are deeply affected by the federal and state policies created by elected officials - it is in their interest to vote. This project is designed to change the culture of unmarried women when it comes to voting - to get them to associate the act of voting to the social frame within which they want to be seen." A program of the Creative Concepts Project, The Tides Center. Project Co-Directors: Page S. Gardner and Christina Desser.
    A Sampling of Register and Vote Websites
    Their "about us" page:
    The Women’s Voices Women Vote Action Fund (WVWVAF) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan 501 (c)(4) organization founded in 2005 and dedicated to increasing the voting participation and issue advocacy of unmarried women.
    What is the predominant ideological preference of single women? "Liberalism", and this is a big target group for the progressive Left.

    It's founder, Page Gardner is a democrat and has worked for democrat campaigns. The rest of the staff are democrats also, and additional info on their deep dem roots can be found here - including that fact that "Executive Director Joe Goode comes directly from Dem Stanley Greenberg's polling and political consulting firm, and formerly worked for Dem Congressman David Price of NC" and VP Anna Greenberg is Stan Greenberg's daughter.


    What's my point? That progressive groups are incestuous and they help each other build the lies that solidify their power. But the lies are after all, still lies.

  2. #2
    Veteran Member highway234's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    15,135
    Thanks
    4249

    From
    Where'm I At, Doe?
    keep telling yourself this stuff. i love it.

  3. #3
    Banned Camp Tetris Champion, Bumper Cards Champion, Patience Delux Champion, Solitare Slingo Champion, Bejeweled Champion, Big Money Champion, Animal Keeper Champion, Drop Bloxs Champion, Diamond Mine Champion, Dynomite Champion, Days of the Dead Champion, Flash Pegs Champion
    Joined
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    37,967
    Thanks
    10415

    From
    Under your skin
    I can see why big companies would be for it if they could push the cost of healthcare onto some one else's back. I could also see why certain people would like it because we have become an entitlement nation and think everything should be provided to us by the government. But these people forget that the cost of these programs lands squarely on the backs of the middle class through increased fees and taxes.

    It is a good deal for rich fat cats and welfare receipients of which I am neither, so I am against it.

  4. #4
    Banned Camp
    Joined
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    6,958
    Thanks
    2644

    From
    USA
    Quote Originally Posted by highway234 View Post
    keep telling yourself this stuff. i love it.
    Which stuff? Facts are facts, sir.

  5. #5
    Senior Member Raoul_Duke's Avatar
    Joined
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    10,696
    Thanks
    2638

    So true. The left's propaganda machine (did you see my post from the WSJ Editorial Page about that?) needs propaganda to spew and outfits like Stan Greenberg's are there to fill that need. Of course, they aren't funded by wealthy evil capitalists so we know their motives are pure, right?
    Thanks from Ginger and Invayne

  6. #6
    Banned Camp Tetris Champion, Bumper Cards Champion, Patience Delux Champion, Solitare Slingo Champion, Bejeweled Champion, Big Money Champion, Animal Keeper Champion, Drop Bloxs Champion, Diamond Mine Champion, Dynomite Champion, Days of the Dead Champion, Flash Pegs Champion
    Joined
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    37,967
    Thanks
    10415

    From
    Under your skin
    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    Which stuff? Facts are facts, sir.
    You gave him too much too read and it confused him. Use small words and short sentences next time. Pictures help too, preferably in crayon.

  7. #7
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    29,918
    Thanks
    10876

    From
    on the river
    Lest we forget that no small part of the left's agitprop machine consists of what I call "credibility loops". These manifest as websites that claim to be unbiased "fact checkers".
    Thanks from Ginger, Raoul_Duke, nonsqtr and 1 others

  8. #8
    Veteran Member Panzareta's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    28,974
    Thanks
    17331

    From
    On a happy trail
    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    Okay, @meridian5455, you wanted me to post a thread, so here ya go-

    There's a new poll out by the WVWV claiming Obamacare is really popular! According to Salon.com, quoting Alternet:


    Never mind Alternet; we all know who they are and what they do; let's take a look at where this claim really comes from and scratch just below the surface:

    See the link ("report" in the fourth line) and look at how the question was phrased:



    First of all, they're asking people to agree with a statement even if it's not how they really feel.
    Secondly, they're shaping the question to pull in those who object because the law is flawed.

    Who was polled and who did the polling:


    Let's look at who conducted the survey; Greenberg Quinlan Rosner:

    It's founder and CEO, Stan Greenberg


    The firm:


    Their mission statement:


    It's clients are a who's who of democrat power players (notably Bill Clinton) , and democratic party committees:
    US Campaigns - and advocacy groups, and progressive organizations, as seen in the client named in the article; the Democracy Corps and the Women’s Voices Women’s Vote Action Fund"

    Now, about this group who commissioned the poll - Democracy Corps and the Women’s Voices Women’s Vote Action Fund.

    This is a progressive advocacy group.


    Their "about us" page:
    What is the predominant ideological preference of single women? "Liberalism", and this is a big target group for the progressive Left.

    It's founder, Page Gardner is a democrat and has worked for democrat campaigns. The rest of the staff are democrats also, and additional info on their deep dem roots can be found here - including that fact that "Executive Director Joe Goode comes directly from Dem Stanley Greenberg's polling and political consulting firm, and formerly worked for Dem Congressman David Price of NC" and VP Anna Greenberg is Stan Greenberg's daughter.


    What's my point? That progressive groups are incestuous and they help each other build the lies that solidify their power. But the lies are after all, still lies.

    Since women are now the majority I guess you'd better just learn to live with it.
    Because we ain't going back to the so called good old days for no one but white males of a certain class.

  9. #9
    Veteran Member ptif219's Avatar
    Joined
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    59,734
    Thanks
    3930

    Women will be against it when they find out how bad the site is

    Obamacare woes widen as insurers get wrong data - MarketWatch

  10. #10
    Banned Camp
    Joined
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    6,958
    Thanks
    2644

    From
    USA
    Quote Originally Posted by meridian5455 View Post
    You gave him too much too read and it confused him. Use small words and short sentences next time. Pictures help too, preferably in crayon.
    Well, that's how the professional progressive Left gets over on lots of people. They organize with each other and manipulate people and data to give themselves credibility. The truth is there, all you have to do is research it - or trust your common sense.

    I mean really, Obamacare popular???? That's ridiculous, you can't even sign up and the costs are shocking, and it's driven private insurance sky high by making the companies cover EVERYONE for pregnancy, prohibiting "pre-existing condition" restrictions on new policies, etc.

    Yes, people with medical problems have it rough, but they DO have some avenues such as medicaid and disability. And some people can't afford insurance - we have free clinics and hospitals cost-shift to cover it - no one in this country is denied emergency care.

    And yes, the present system didn't handle everyone as well as we'd have liked, but obamacare is not the solution, it's just another (bigger) problem.
    Thanks from Invayne and keymanjim

Page 1 of 13 12311 ... LastLast

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed