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    I have never spoken with any POC who did not prefer a full-on white supremacist to a sneaky, passive-aggressive racist. IMO, this more or less is the difference between Southern and Northern whites in the US. The Southern whites may SAY ugly things about POC, but in a million years, they'd never be unkind to the black people they have known as neighbors all their lives. Northern whites have better manners and usually will not say ugly things where POC (or even white strangers) might overhear. But they have no connection with, compassion for or investment in the well-being of the blacks living in their cities, almost all confined to the ghetto.

    On a gray day last October, teachers across Seattle wore a shirt that read BLACK LIVES MATTER.

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    And then, a backlash, but this time not from outsiders. White parents from the city’s tonier neighborhoods wrote to their principals to say they were displeased. A Black Lives Matter day was too militant, too political and too confusing for their young kids, they said.

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    These three schools are in northeast Seattle, one of the whitest, most affluent corners of the city. They are also in staunchly liberal neighborhoods dotted with rainbow yard signs that say “All are welcome.”

    “This is what I’ve come to call Seattle’s passive progressiveness,” said Stephan Blanford, a Seattle school board member whose doctoral research focused on race and public education. “We vote the right way on issues. We believe the right way. But the second you challenge their privilege, you see the response.”

    Blanford is black and represents the Central District, the historic African-American heart of the city. He wasn’t surprised by the emails from parents after the Black Lives Matter day. Middle-class white parents have asked him for help getting their kids out of Madrona Elementary, which is 44 percent black.

    “No one will say to me, ‘We don’t want our kids to go to a black school,’ but I believe that’s frequently the underlying reason,” Blanford said.

    Black Lives Matter emerged from a Twitter hashtag in 2012, after the death of Trayvon Martin, a Florida teenager whose killer was acquitted. The movement gained momentum as videos emerged of police officers killing black men, and from there became a rallying cry against racism. Those three words say that black lives haven’t mattered enough in this country, and they should.

    Reaction to the Black Lives Matter day might have been more muted had Sarah Talbot, the principal at Laurelhurst, not sent an email afterward to parents.

    “I heard from a few parents concerned about what teachers weren’t saying,” Talbot wrote.

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    “They would prefer to be ‘all lives matter,’ because then their child is included in the conversation about mattering,” she said. “What they don’t think is, would a black mother feel like her child matters, based upon the way that history, the nation, the city, the institutional structures, have treated her child? That’s not the process they’re using.”

    Geary shared a story from earlier in the year: A sticker that read “HCC = APPartheid” was placed outside Thurgood Marshall Elementary. HCC stands for Highly Capable Cohort; APPartheid is a play on what the program was called before – APP, or Advanced Placement Program.

    The sticker's message: The gifted program is overwhelmingly white. Last year, 1 percent of the program was black, even though the district was 16 percent black.

    “We got very angry emails about that, as though we had sponsored it,” Geary said. “They were upset their kid was being shamed for being in HCC. I think that’s the same instinct.”

    When Geary spoke with a parent upset about the Black Lives Matter day last fall, she said, “I know your child matters. You know your child matters. But I’m not sure that we as a society have made it clear that we believe black children matter in the way that white children matter.’”

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    I asked Jennifer Harvey, a religion professor in Des Moines, Iowa, to read these emails and share her thoughts. Harvey recently had an opinion piece in The New York Times titled, “Are we raising racists?”

    “As a white person myself, I hear and I know how white people think about race, and I wasn't surprised to see just a basic lack of understanding of how racism functions,” Harvey said. “This would not be unique to Seattle liberal whites, nor among liberals who didn't vote for Trump. These kind of sentiments are very deep seated.”

    She continued: “What I see when I read these emails is this utter failure to value black life. Because if you value black life you go, ‘Oh my god, even if I don't understand this, why is it that African-Americans need to have this movement for black lives, and what is it like to be a 10-year-old child who's black?

    “It's like there's this total white vortex that just screams out from these emails, whether they are being nasty intentionally or just saying, 'I don't get it.' They make me really sad.”
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    Maybe it is impossible to remove racism for any white American's heart, but if, e.g., you view black students at your child's schools as "good influencers, creating diversity" you are a RACIST. And you do more damage to POC in America in your insidious, cruel, unthinking ways than white supremacists do.

    Other children are not props for your kid. They are fully human, and their lives matter as much as your kid's life matters.

    THAt'S WHY we need the Black Lives Matter Campaign. Not for Bubba, the vicious white supremacist and meth head. For people who are still not quite able to get there.....and who cannot convict a murderer even if his crime is caught on CCTV.

    Not if his victim is black.


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    Here's the thing those parents don't understand. They can take it for granted that "all lives matter". Black people can't. The entire point of BLM is that they feel that the system doesn't value their lives as much as everyone else's. I don't agree with a lot of BLM but that's not a completely invalid point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Here's the thing those parents don't understand. They can take it for granted that "all lives matter". Black people can't. The entire point of BLM is that they feel that the system doesn't value their lives as much as everyone else's. I don't agree with a lot of BLM but that's not a completely invalid point.
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    Philando Castile was completely innocent and shot to death in a car where a 4 year old was also a passenger. They just said the cop was following procedure. If this allows someone to shoot a guy who didn't do anything in the same car as a 4 year old then rethink the fucking procedures.
    So I have to wonder if any of these parents worry about this happening to them when they get pulled over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Philando Castile was completely innocent and shot to death in a car where a 4 year old was also a passenger. They just said the cop was following procedure. If this allows someone to shoot a guy who didn't do anything in the same car as a 4 year old then rethink the fucking procedures.
    So I have to wonder if any of these parents worry about this happening to them when they get pulled over.
    I suppose it is progress that there was a trial at all. But it feels as if this is just the same rigged game that resulted in the acquittal of the cops who beat Rodney King, in 1992.

    And being as the CHILD they murdered in my city is still not even respected enough to warrant a trial, I am incandescent.

    But I am white, and free to drive where I like, etc. without fear. I am not worried the children in MY family will be killed by rogue cops.

    However much it hurts me, it has to hurt Tamir Rice's mother 1 million times more. How is it so many whites can ignore that pain?



    Is this some genetic defect we all share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    I have never spoken with any POC who did not prefer a full-on white supremacist to a sneaky, passive-aggressive racist. IMO, this more or less is the difference between Southern and Northern whites in the US. The Southern whites may SAY ugly things about POC, but in a million years, they'd never be unkind to the black people they have known as neighbors all their lives. Northern whites have better manners and usually will not say ugly things where POC (or even white strangers) might overhear. But they have no connection with, compassion for or investment in the well-being of the blacks living in their cities, almost all confined to the ghetto.
    That is a hysterically amusing version of reality.

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    If the point of this top post is to admit that racism is endemic in our society then thank you for stating the obvious. Like it or not, racism is so entrenched in our way of life that even the most diligent and kind hearted fall victim to it. We just have to keep trying as hard as we can to overcome it. I try every day and I also do it by political means, I vote for the party that tries to solve the problem. If anyone here thinks conservatives do anything to help stop racism or institutional racism then you are fooling yourself. People instinctively know who is trying to help and who is not which is why the left is supported by minorities of all stripes while the right is whiter than a field of salt that has a few specks of pepper every hundred feet or so.

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    There are plenty of innocent people of all races killed by police.

    The difference is blacks think it only happens to them.

    They are playing this victim card like they are the only ones at the table.

    They aren't.

    That is the problem with BLM.

    Frankly its getting old really quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    If the point of this top post is to admit that racism is endemic in our society then thank you for stating the obvious. Like it or not, racism is so entrenched in our way of life that even the most diligent and kind hearted fall victim to it. We just have to keep trying as hard as we can to overcome it. I try every day and I also do it by political means, I vote for the party that tries to solve the problem. If anyone here thinks conservatives do anything to help stop racism or institutional racism then you are fooling yourself. People instinctively know who is trying to help and who is not which is why the left is supported by minorities of all stripes while the right is whiter than a field of salt that has a few specks of pepper every hundred feet or so.
    I have no idea who you feel is a conservative. Many self-avowed liberals on PH have called me this, so maybe I am.

    What I am not, is a racist. I have no hatred for anyone based on the way they look.

    However, I can be an insensitive, know-it-all asshole. It is necessary to be humble enough to listen to POC, if as a white person, you want to help.

    And don't expect to understand or like everything you hear. I know I have white privilege and that I am more than happy to use it, daily. I know it oppresses POC, when I don't challenge it.

    But I am not a warrior. Just a very pissed off old lady, living in a city where the cops kill my neighbors' children for sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    There are plenty of innocent people of all races killed by police.

    The difference is blacks think it only happens to them.

    They are playing this victim card like they are the only ones at the table.

    They aren't.

    That is the problem with BLM.

    Frankly its getting old really quick.
    No, it isn't.

    If Tamir had been white, he would still be alive.

    That is an obscenity and it must end.

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