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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Obviously, no belief regarding race is genetically linked. But all kids are shaped by their environment, and yes, all white kids have an impact due to the white patriarchy, just as all other kids do. Mitigating and counterbalancing that impact is on their parents, and it isn't easy.
    How do they do that without working from the assumption that they are inherently racist to begin with?

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    You can, and likely do, raise non-racist kids.

    But raising kids who have no attitudes, beliefs or bias based on race is impossible, IMO.
    These statements are contradictory. But to the degree they are applicable to white people, they are applicable people of any skin color, which is an irrelevancy to a person who is not racist and does not understand racism from the inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Yes. And there is also such a thing as using such language to make that argument, as well, and in the context of your posts you are doing exactly that.
    huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    not if it's true. There can be an argument made that the majority of whites fall into the category of the "closet racist". Hell, I'd venture to say that the majority of American's could fall into that category.
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    How do they do that without working from the assumption that they are inherently racist to begin with?


    These statements are contradictory. But to the degree they are applicable to white people, they are applicable people of any skin color, which is an irrelevancy to a person who is not racist and does not understand racism from the inside.
    again, huh?

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    huh?
    The terminology "the argument can be made" is a passive-voice way of making the argument.
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    again, huh?
    That quote was a response to Madeline's post (see mine quoting hers here), not yours. It makes sense in that context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The terminology "the argument can be made" is a passive-voice way of making the argument.
    except, you edited the argument. In context it was saying that the majority of American's, not just whites, could fall into the category of "closet racist". I'll concede , however, that I do believe that the majority have inner conflicts about people of a different race, that may well classify as racist. Call it "passive racism". Thanks for clarifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    except, you edited the argument. In context it was saying that the majority of American's, not just whites, could fall into the category of "closet racist". I'll concede , however, that I do believe that the majority have inner conflicts about people of a different race, that may well classify as racist. Call it "passive racism". Thanks for clarifying.
    You spend too much time thinking about race. I have seen you accuse posters of offering "bigotted" responses and you start threads about blacks being mistreated all the time. You have (that I have seen) never taken the other side even once.

    Oh, I'm on ignore? Of course, I am -- you are never one to listen, only whine and complain. If anyone disagrees with you, they're "a racist."


    *If you think that most people are racist, maybe you should move, could be your neighbors. Most people aren't, perhaps you are projecting your own inner conflict.
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    so, first things first. Being subjected to racism is a traumatic event for kids growing up black in America. It doesn't matter if they grew up in a time after Jim Crow, or when whites could rape, murder, or demoralize them with impunity. The life, in of itself, is a traumatic event. And like any other traumatic event it leaves them with a form of PTSD. That said. It can also be a traumatic event for anyone witnessing it who doesn't happen to be black. We hear stories all the time of friends who went shopping with their African American friends and were shocked to see how they were treated. Or stories about being in a car when their African American friends were stopped by the police. Or see videos of cops shooting an African American unarmed youth. These events are traumatic to behold regardless of what race you happen to be. Even, believe or not, for the perpetrators of racism and/or bigotry.

    That's right.

    Bet, you weren't expecting that angle were you? But, think about it. What sort of person does it take to treat another human being in a demoralizing manner simply because of their race? That sort of person has to have suffered some sort of trauma in the past. Deep inside, they must know that the person they're dehumanizing is a fellow human being. Just like them. It's not officially recognized as a mental illness. But, it sure as hell has all the markers of one. Anyone that would treat a another human being with that kind of cruelty has to be suffering from a severe lack of respect for themselves.

    Among the wors of these is the so-called "closet racist". This is a person who , by all outward appearances, doesn't appear to be racist. But, deep inside, they nonetheless secretly identify with the hardcore racist. Deep inside they hear the call of racism lurking somewhere deep beneath the surface. Just waiting for the right movement to reveal itself (typically, with plausible deniability). Or they might even let it all out in privacy. Or among those who think the way they do. Who can assure them that they really aren't racist. It's an inner racial turmoil eating away at them....

    To be continued. Cuz, we have to get back to the topic at hand.

    So many of these things are the obstacles that black kids in American have to navigate in their quest to be treated as equals; in their quest to become "whole". More often than not they are vulnerable to the majority population. Who, although mostly sympathetic, lacks a true understanding of their plight. Even among those who think they do.

    Black parents invariably have to have that "talk" with their kids. Usually, at an early age, because kids see and hear things that they need a guiding hand to explain, at a very early age. Because, except only in very rare cases , sooner or later, their kids are going to encounter racial slurs, racial resentments, racial animus, or just plain straight up racial hatred. All parents do their best to prepare their kids for this real world. Sure enough. And each child is unique in their own right.

    But, no matter how much parents try to prepare their kids, no one can really be prepared for when it's first happens. Nor, can anyone explain what it feels like to anyone that hasn't experienced it. You think you might know. But , you don't. You have no Earthly fucking clue. Nor can you know what it's like to have to be aware each and every moment that it might happen, if only in the corner of your mind. Or how it feels to have let your guard down and to be hit with racism, a racial slur, racial animus , resentment, or hate, unexpectedly. Especially, when it is coming from that so-called "close racist". Who has succeeded in convincing you they understand. Because, like vicious, vindictive snakes in the grass, they've waited for the right time , and the right circumstances, to strike.
    I'm white. I've experienced racism at the hands of mexicans and blacks. I eventually grew out of it realizing somewhere along the way that there are both good and bad with all races and ethnicities.

    Here's the part where you tell me all about white privilege. Then I'll mention the fact I'm the bastard son of a teen aged mother from the poorest of poor folk here in the us and a high school dropout for boot. {exhale} {inhale}

    Then you'll preach to me about being the recipient of white privilege just in case I've already forgotten that already. {exhale} {again}

    There, that should just about cover it.

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    what about "white privilege"? What is it exactly that I'm suppose to say about it? What you experienced has nothing to do with white privilege. Yes, whites experience racism. But, they are in the majority so it's not institutional racism. You make a good point thought that isn't covered in the OP. The fact that anyone, or any race, can be discriminated against, experiences slurs, be subjected to pure hatred over their race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    You spend too much time thinking about race. I have seen you accuse posters of offering "bigotted" responses and you start threads about blacks being mistreated all the time. You have (that I have seen) never taken the other side even once.

    Oh, I'm on ignore? Of course, I am -- you are never one to listen, only whine and complain. If anyone disagrees with you, they're "a racist."


    *If you think that most people are racist, maybe you should move, could be your neighbors. Most people aren't, perhaps you are projecting your own inner conflict.
    oh, so what? As far as my inner conflict, that's pretty self-evident. Not like I'm trying to hide it. I did use the words "I believe". We all have inner conflicts. It's how we deal with them that matter. At least , I'm honest about mine. You should try it.

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