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    why black kids just can't "get over" being exposed to racial slurs.

    so, first things first. Being subjected to racism is a traumatic event for kids growing up black in America. It doesn't matter if they grew up in a time after Jim Crow, or when whites could rape, murder, or demoralize them with impunity. The life, in of itself, is a traumatic event. And like any other traumatic event it leaves them with a form of PTSD. That said. It can also be a traumatic event for anyone witnessing it who doesn't happen to be black. We hear stories all the time of friends who went shopping with their African American friends and were shocked to see how they were treated. Or stories about being in a car when their African American friends were stopped by the police. Or see videos of cops shooting an African American unarmed youth. These events are traumatic to behold regardless of what race you happen to be. Even, believe or not, for the perpetrators of racism and/or bigotry.

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    Bet, you weren't expecting that angle were you? But, think about it. What sort of person does it take to treat another human being in a demoralizing manner simply because of their race? That sort of person has to have suffered some sort of trauma in the past. Deep inside, they must know that the person they're dehumanizing is a fellow human being. Just like them. It's not officially recognized as a mental illness. But, it sure as hell has all the markers of one. Anyone that would treat a another human being with that kind of cruelty has to be suffering from a severe lack of respect for themselves.

    Among the wors of these is the so-called "closet racist". This is a person who , by all outward appearances, doesn't appear to be racist. But, deep inside, they nonetheless secretly identify with the hardcore racist. Deep inside they hear the call of racism lurking somewhere deep beneath the surface. Just waiting for the right movement to reveal itself (typically, with plausible deniability). Or they might even let it all out in privacy. Or among those who think the way they do. Who can assure them that they really aren't racist. It's an inner racial turmoil eating away at them....

    To be continued. Cuz, we have to get back to the topic at hand.

    So many of these things are the obstacles that black kids in American have to navigate in their quest to be treated as equals; in their quest to become "whole". More often than not they are vulnerable to the majority population. Who, although mostly sympathetic, lacks a true understanding of their plight. Even among those who think they do.

    Black parents invariably have to have that "talk" with their kids. Usually, at an early age, because kids see and hear things that they need a guiding hand to explain, at a very early age. Because, except only in very rare cases , sooner or later, their kids are going to encounter racial slurs, racial resentments, racial animus, or just plain straight up racial hatred. All parents do their best to prepare their kids for this real world. Sure enough. And each child is unique in their own right.

    But, no matter how much parents try to prepare their kids, no one can really be prepared for when it's first happens. Nor, can anyone explain what it feels like to anyone that hasn't experienced it. You think you might know. But , you don't. You have no Earthly fucking clue. Nor can you know what it's like to have to be aware each and every moment that it might happen, if only in the corner of your mind. Or how it feels to have let your guard down and to be hit with racism, a racial slur, racial animus , resentment, or hate, unexpectedly. Especially, when it is coming from that so-called "close racist". Who has succeeded in convincing you they understand. Because, like vicious, vindictive snakes in the grass, they've waited for the right time , and the right circumstances, to strike.
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    I understand the stigma, But IMO those using the slurs show the ignorance of the one uttering them more than it does the ones they are directed toward.

    But that goes many ways.. people Slur Southerners as Rednecks Hillbillies rebels... People have slurs for Italians, Irish, whites, blacks Asians, Italians ... ... ..

    all carry the same stigma. Different people react different ways.

    You have a very valid point.. African Americans have been dealt a Crap hand.. Big City mayors have insured that the worst schools are in the poor white black, Hispanic neighborhoods, which only helps reinforce the harm done by the slurs.

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    It's not just the indignity, the fundamental unfairness. It's also the fear. Black kids of all classes are well-aware they are more likely to become victims of crime AND of the criminal justice system.

    The stress is enormous, and it NEVER stops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    so, first things first. Being subjected to racism is a traumatic event for kids growing up black in America. It doesn't matter if they grew up in a time after Jim Crow, or when whites could rape, murder, or demoralize them with impunity. The life, in of itself, is a traumatic event. And like any other traumatic event it leaves them with a form of PTSD. That said. It can also be a traumatic event for anyone witnessing it who doesn't happen to be black. We hear stories all the time of friends who went shopping with their African American friends and were shocked to see how they were treated. Or stories about being in a car when their African American friends were stopped by the police. Or see videos of cops shooting an African American unarmed youth. These events are traumatic to behold regardless of what race you happen to be. Even, believe or not, for the perpetrators of racism and/or bigotry.

    That's right.

    Bet, you weren't expecting that angle were you? But, think about it. What sort of person does it take to treat another human being in a demoralizing manner simply because of their race? That sort of person has to have suffered some sort of trauma in the past. Deep inside, they must know that the person they're dehumanizing is a fellow human being. Just like them. It's not officially recognized as a mental illness. But, it sure as hell has all the markers of one. Anyone that would treat a another human being with that kind of cruelty has to be suffering from a severe lack of respect for themselves.

    Among the wors of these is the so-called "closet racist". This is a person who , by all outward appearances, doesn't appear to be racist. But, deep inside, they nonetheless secretly identify with the hardcore racist. Deep inside they hear the call of racism lurking somewhere deep beneath the surface. Just waiting for the right movement to reveal itself (typically, with plausible deniability). Or they might even let it all out in privacy. Or among those who think the way they do. Who can assure them that they really aren't racist. It's an inner racial turmoil eating away at them....

    To be continued. Cuz, we have to get back to the topic at hand.

    So many of these things are the obstacles that black kids in American have to navigate in their quest to be treated as equals; in their quest to become "whole". More often than not they are vulnerable to the majority population. Who, although mostly sympathetic, lacks a true understanding of their plight. Even among those who think they do.

    Black parents invariably have to have that "talk" with their kids. Usually, at an early age, because kids see and hear things that they need a guiding hand to explain, at a very early age. Because, except only in very rare cases , sooner or later, their kids are going to encounter racial slurs, racial resentments, racial animus, or just plain straight up racial hatred. All parents do their best to prepare their kids for this real world. Sure enough. And each child is unique in their own right.

    But, no matter how much parents try to prepare their kids, no one can really be prepared for when it's first happens. Nor, can anyone explain what it feels like to anyone that hasn't experienced it. You think you might know. But , you don't. You have no Earthly fucking clue. Nor can you know what it's like to have to be aware each and every moment that it might happen, if only in the corner of your mind. Or how it feels to have let your guard down and to be hit with racism, a racial slur, racial animus , resentment, or hate, unexpectedly. Especially, when it is coming from that so-called "close racist". Who has succeeded in convincing you they understand. Because, like vicious, vindictive snakes in the grass, they've waited for the right time , and the right circumstances, to strike.
    Sounds an awful like how today's liberals treat conservatives or talk about Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Sounds an awful like how today's liberals treat conservatives or talk about Trump.
    No, it doesn't. Even if you were perpetually surrounded by unusually ill-mannered liberals, you could always STFU. You have never sent your 12 year old out to play with his 14 year old sister, in the park across the street, and had to worry that he would be killed by the police.

    It's obnoxious how some conservatives cry and whine that they suffer. You don't know what suffering is, you big babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It's not just the indignity, the fundamental unfairness. It's also the fear. Black kids of all classes are well-aware they are more likely to become victims of crime AND of the criminal justice system.

    The stress is enormous, and it NEVER stops.
    part of it is the makings of a few.. Unfortunately African americans are more likely to be the offender in violent crimes. Thus there is blow back from that statistic, Not that it is right, it is just reality.

    Just like most serial killers are going to be white males. so if there is a serial killer in the area.. they don't normally look for African Americans, Asians or Women... they profile white men as they should.

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    part of it is the makings of a few.. Unfortunately African americans are more likely to be the offender in violent crimes. Thus there is blow back from that statistic, Not that it is right, it is just reality.

    Just like most serial killers are going to be white males. so if there is a serial killer in the area.. they don't normally look for African Americans, Asians or Women... they profile white men as they should.
    That serial killer meme is false; every race has some, and the numbers are not terribly disproportionate.

    There's not more black crime, once you weight the results for poverty. What there is, though, is a hideously disproportionate impact of the criminal justice system on black defendants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    That serial killer meme is false; every race has some, and the numbers are not terribly disproportionate.

    There's not more black crime, once you weight the results for poverty. What there is, though, is a hideously disproportionate impact of the criminal justice system on black defendants.
    Okay name me 3 black serial killers (don't use the internet) I can name 1

    Ted Bundy
    JW Gacey
    albert desalvo
    Jeffery daumer

    all white this is off the top of my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Okay name me 3 black serial killers (don't use the internet) I can name 1

    Ted Bundy
    JW Gacey
    albert desalvo
    Jeffery daumer

    all white this is off the top of my head.
    This is a bizarre argument. You seriously think black Americans are somehow immune to psychopathy?

    Anyway.....Anthony Sowell, who killed at least 11 women and stored their corpses inside his Cleveland home.

    Henry Louis Walker, who killed at least 9 women in Charlotte.

    Carl Eugene Watts, who killed at least 6 and most likely 100 women in the Houston area.

    Google "black serial killers" for many more.
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    Bias and malicious discrimination are widespread and cover dozens of categories.

    It is more severe in niche groups with persistent forms of bias.

    While malicious discrimination against blacks in the USA is the very worst form,it is not the only one.

    In fact, niche groups are trying to create such malicious discrimination to promote their own interests.

    In ALL cases, calling attention to your outrage over being discriminated against is only useful to the victim up to the point of legal remedies.

    Living in a constant state of awareness of your outrage is no way to live.

    And that's my opinion.

    For example, preoccupation with media bias against conservatives is useless.

    Getting to the bottom of why (or if) the IRS targeted conservative groups for hassling and delays is a form of seeking legal remedies.
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