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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparta View Post
    Yeah you did, and it's pretty exhausting having to explain it to you. I never voiced support for Trump, I'm a card carrying Democrat (despite my better judgement) and your post about my supposed GOP support is out of left field and completely unrelated to anything I've posted.

    I said white people throwing other white people on their sword has become a laughably dignity free exercise in virtue signaling.
    There has always been stupid cool points for whites who "support civil rights", risking nothing, doing nothing, and stirred to act only when the chance to socially execute a white stranger they declare "racist" arises.

    Yanno.....assholes.

    Tom Wolfe's wonderful book "Radical Chic and Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers" is delightful reading, laying this phenomenon bare.

    Black racists are also examined by Tom Wolfe, in "A Man In Full".

    All humans are capable of deceit and hypocrisy. It certainly is annoying, a counterproductive force in our society, and sinful. But the fact that SOME people exploit racism for nefarious personal goals is IRRELEVANT to the larger, more urgent problems that actual racism actually creates for actual Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    first things first. The internet is a cesspool of racism. As sites go PH isn't quite as racist as others. Still, some of us could use a course in cultural sensitivity or two.

    Back in another life, while in boot camp, the US Navy decided that we all could benefit from such a course. The irony is that before the course we were all getting along just fine. Then, after the course, we were all fighting like cats and dogs. The military demands unity. We all knew that we'd have to count on each other for our very lives. But, the truth is it was all a mirage. Racial resentments were hiding just beneath the surface. So, all the course did was reveal them.

    Fast forward to today and courses in cultural sensitivity in our high schools. I'll mention one particular incident because it has to do with the internet and sites like PH. A high school student played a somewhat interesting joke. She took a post using all the usual talking points from a conservative engaging in a racially charged rant. Then she reversed the race from black to white and re-posted the same exact rant. The reaction was even surprising to her. She even revealed what she was doing so that everyone knew.

    Still, the reaction was swift and vehement. The same right-wingers that had agreed wholeheartedly with the argument from a white perspective, we're outraged when the roles were reversed. She then, did the same thing from a liberal perspective. Reversing the roles from white to black. The results were similar. However, not so surprising and with less outrage because the participants had been conditioned from the first test.

    Your thoughts?
    It's not just racism. How often do any of us consciously think of the very simple, but very effective (if we do actually apply it, consciously or have trained our subconscious), "ethic of reciprocity", known to many who claim to be or are Christian as the "Golden Rule"? An ethic of reciprocity is NOT unique or specific to Christ or any religion, but has been repeated by sages throughout the history of human kind by people of many backgrounds and cultures.

    It basically says, if you wouldn't like your own words or actions, when they are coming at you, instead of emanating from you, chances are pretty damn good, that other people would be just like you and NOT like what you don't like. Thus if you don't like insults and people kicking you in the shins, then you probably shouldn't be insulting or kicking others in the shins because they are like you, and do not like it. To simplify it even more, one could say that since most, perhaps all human beings, wish to be treated with respect, dignity and some level of kindness, it would seem to follow that if we all treated one another, as if all others were us, we might see a genuinely, kinder, gentler humanity.

    If we don't practice what we preach, so to speak, then we can't exactly expect others to be better than we are or that we are not going to get back, what we give and if we give crap, BS or other bad things to people, we should expect or in the very least, NOT complain, when they return the favor.

    All this of course, is a lot easier said than done, BUT there is hope that just being aware and thinking about it, we might be able to say we have taken the first step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    oh, bullshit. That's not a form of racism. It it were having a fking fit every time someone says the word "race" would be racist. Most certainly, telling African American's they're being "overly sensitive" about race would be.
    It CAN be, though. Introduce a "zero tolerance policy" for racism (or sexism or ageism or ableism, etc.) into a workplace, school, etc. and a FEW people will latch onto it as a new bullying technique.

    It's just that on the scale of national problems, workplace bullying attempts via shady claims of racist injuries don't arouse much care in me.

    I have a small, dusty fuck to give about it, occasionally, but it doesn't even rock me as badly as littering does.

    OTOH, actual racism seems to me to be a threat to human life on a par with nuclear winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It CAN be, though. Introduce a "zero tolerance policy" for racism (or sexism or ageism or ableism, etc.) into a workplace, school, etc. and a FEW people will latch onto it as a new bullying technique.
    isn't that policy already dictated by law?

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    Life is short and unpredictable. If you were born with a privilege or advantage, you would be a fool to give it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    isn't that policy already dictated by law?
    Sure.....except that "racist speech or conduct" defies precise description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Life is short and unpredictable. If you were born with a privilege or advantage, you would be a fool to give it up.
    Fair enough. I was born with a big mouth and a few brains, and so I press my "advantage" to shape the world to make me happier.

    More justice, more peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Sure.....except that "racist speech or conduct" defies precise description.
    that's true. Which is one of the reasons why it's difficult to win a discrimination case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Life is short and unpredictable. If you were born with a privilege or advantage, you would be a fool to give it up.
    If you were born underprivileged or with a disadvantage, you would be a fool to stand in line behind the ones more fortunate by birth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    If you were born underprivileged or with a disadvantage, you would be a fool to stand in line behind the ones more fortunate by birth.
    I never saw the advantage to the wealthy to be derived from the most possible poverty of everyone else. It seems axiomatic to me that EVERYONE is best off when the middle class is largest and poverty is alleviated.

    Why would anyone want to be a billionaire during the Great Depression rather than during the 1950's?

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