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    A great article on the subject of racism

    National Conversation on Race: Time for Some Ground Rules

    5. Black people shouldn't have to fit your definition of what's respectable to deserve equality or justice. It's silly and unfounded to blame inequality caused by institutionalized racism on, say, sagging pants or rap music. If you want to celebrate black people who are educated and high-achieving and defy persistent stereotypes, great, but that can't be a requirement for fair treatment. We got into trouble with this type of thinking when evidence that Trayvon Martin was a normal teenager messed up so many people's impression of him as a sympathetic victim.

    6. Don't defer to people like Bill Cosby about their theories about black people, any more than you would defer to a miscellaneous white celebrity about how white people are doing. If you need guidance, look for someone whose background offers evidence that he or she had the incentive to spend some time seeking information and thinking critically in a professional capacity about whatever it is the person is discussing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
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    10. Finally, stop thinking about and discussing racism as something that's the problem of black and other nonwhite people. Remember that there's an ever-growing movement of anti-racist white people concerned with dismantling white privilege. When you're talking about racism, remember that it's not just bad for those whom it oppresses; it's bad for everyone because it creates an unjust society. When people want to fix racism, they do it not because they're being charitable or nice, but because they're being smart and decent.
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    I'd add a few of my own rules, but in the main, it's good.

    11. Say what you actually think. Nothing productive can come by either side dancing around how they really feel. It doesn't work for any other idea we debate, and it won't work on something as serious as race. It means of course that feelings are going to be hurt on both sides, and for that matter you'll say some things out loud that are going to sound like the KKK. That's normal and even necessary -- you can't get past what you cannot admit to thinking or feeling. The guy who locked his car doors on Obama in 1980 would probably feel stupid, racist, and uncomfortable to say out loud that he saw a black guy and immediately thought "car jacker", but that's what he actually thought.

    12. Goes with the above, but worth saying. If I'm going to say uncomfortable things about race, you're going to hear uncomfortable things about race. What will kill the conversation faster than anything is to have that be an excuse to stop the conversation, declare the other person hopelessly racist and stop the conversation right there. Everyone in this has racism, everyone is going to hear the ugly stuff, but unless we can be psychologically nude, this is mostly an exercise in futility. Think couples therapy, because IMO that's the only model that would actually be effective in making a change.

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    Great catch, Blueneck! A couple of members on this forum really need to read that post. To me these two points are very impotant and something a lot of people don't understand.

    1. Talking about race isn't racist. Don't say that. Vilifying people who discuss race and point out racism -- making them the bad guys -- is one of the ways racism is maintained. So is acting as if "blacks suffer from racism" and "whites suffer from reverse racism" are equally valid points of view.
    It aways plucks me when people accuse the president of being divisive if he mentions race.

    4. Remember that while "race" itself isn't real, racism is, and our country's long and well-documented history with racism has very real, lasting effects. Therefore, being "colorblind" is not helpful because it cripples our ability to deal with the tangible effects of racial inequality in just about every area of life.
    We are NOT post racial and pretending we are is not helpful.
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    It's the latest radical conservative strategy to declare their opponents racists for discussing race. It's plain sophism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Well put.
    Sorry, but the article didn't do that much for me. It's still about white folk being racist. What would interest me would be an article that addresses racism as it applies to all races. Not all whites are racist, some blacks and hispanics are. We need to have a conversation that addresses those issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Sorry, but the article didn't do that much for me. It's still about white folk being racist. What would interest me would be an article that addresses racism as it applies to all races. Not all whites are racist, some blacks and hispanics are. We need to have a conversation that addresses those issues.
    It's about the inability for people to debate the topic without resorting to idiotic talking points or trying to spin the issue into some "whites are better than blacks because..." argument.

    Lately, all I see here when the issue of race is brought up is people screaming "Chicago!".

    What are people supposed to get out of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Sorry, but the article didn't do that much for me. It's still about white folk being racist. What would interest me would be an article that addresses racism as it applies to all races. Not all whites are racist, some blacks and hispanics are. We need to have a conversation that addresses those issues.
    And you think white folks are no longer racist. Instead of being interested in the racist of your own race, which is something we can address you'd rather point your finger at the racism that non-whites have.

    How about we whites discuss our own racism and let non-whites address theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    It's about the inability for people to debate the topic without resorting to idiotic talking points or trying to spin the issue into some "whites are better than blacks because..." argument.

    Lately, all I see here when the issue of race is brought up is people screaming "Chicago!".

    What are people supposed to get out of that?
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