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    Dinosaurs never roared

    One thing I have been annoyed by ever since I was a youngster, is the way moviemakers always depict dinosaurs roaring. From early Japanese black and white TV shows, to Steven Spielberg’s Jurassic Park, to today’s docos on Discovery and N.G. They always depict them roaring fiercely and stentoriously, which is just silly.

    Since I was a child catching lizards, snakes and turtles, and visiting the crocodile part of the zoo, I’ve known that reptiles don’t roar. At best they hiss, and even then, only rarely. The reasons for this couldn’t be more obvious. In one simple sentence, I’ll sum it up:

    If you go around roaring all the time you scare away your lunch, and you soon become a bigger dinosaur's lunch.

    Now, why couldn’t all the world’s palaeontologists figure that out? At this point, as far as I know, I’m the only person with this view.
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    Well, shit....you just messed up all my dinosaur fantasies.

    Do they/did they have vocal chords?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    One thing I have been annoyed by ever since I was a youngster, is the way moviemakers always depict dinosaurs roaring. From early Japanese black and white TV shows, to Steven Spielberg’s Jurassic Park, to today’s docos on Discovery and N.G. They always depict them roaring fiercely and stentoriously, which is just silly.

    Since I was a child catching lizards, snakes and turtles, and visiting the crocodile part of the zoo, I’ve known that reptiles don’t roar. At best they hiss, and even then, only rarely. The reasons for this couldn’t be more obvious. In one simple sentence, I’ll sum it up:

    If you go around roaring all the time you scare away your lunch, and you soon become a bigger dinosaurs’ lunch.

    Now, why couldn’t all the world’s palaeontologists figure that out? At this point, as far as I know, I’m the only person with this view.
    Everyone who's watched old Japanese monster movies knows they roared! (Their mouths just weren't synchronized with the roaring sounds)

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    It made for good TV but who knows. Maybe they did roar? Maybe they hissed, screeched, whistled, whatever. I'd say they made more noises than the lizards, snakes and turtles you caught during childhood though, just due to the size difference. The tiny noises that they do make could be similar to a more powerful dinosaur counterpart.

    Could some dinosaurs have independently evolved the ability to vocalize, just as birds and crocodylians did? Researchers like David Weishampel have, after all, demonstrated the potential use of hadrosaur crests as resonating chambers when the animals wanted to communicate over long distances. Recent research presented at last year's annual Society of Vertebrate Paleontology meeting, too, suggests that at least some hadrosaurs could have been communicative creatures. Indeed, dinosaurs may not have vocalized the same way that crocodylians or birds do, and even if their soft-tissue vocalization organs were not preserved, scientists can still study their fossilized inner ears to try and understand what sounds they might have been able to hear. A dinosaur with sensitive ears, for example, might have been more communicative, but unfortunately there are no living non-avian dinosaurs to test this idea.

    Did dinosaurs sound just like they do in the movies? Probably not, especially since most "dinosaur" sounds you hear are actually mash-ups of vocalizations made by different modern animals. Since the organs they would have used to vocalize with did not fossilize, however, we may never know what kind of sounds they made (if they were able to make them at all). Given the difficulty getting at this question, then, I say that we should continue to let hadrosaurs bellow and tyrannosaurs roar until we find hard evidence that they could not.
    Did Dinosaurs Roar? | Science | Smithsonian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    One thing I have been annoyed by ever since I was a youngster, is the way moviemakers always depict dinosaurs roaring. From early Japanese black and white TV shows, to Steven Spielberg’s Jurassic Park, to today’s docos on Discovery and N.G. They always depict them roaring fiercely and stentoriously, which is just silly.

    Since I was a child catching lizards, snakes and turtles, and visiting the crocodile part of the zoo, I’ve known that reptiles don’t roar. At best they hiss, and even then, only rarely. The reasons for this couldn’t be more obvious. In one simple sentence, I’ll sum it up:

    If you go around roaring all the time you scare away your lunch, and you soon become a bigger dinosaurs’ lunch.

    Now, why couldn’t all the world’s palaeontologists figure that out? At this point, as far as I know, I’m the only person with this view.
    A vicious lie, Steven Spielberg wouldn't deceive me like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    One thing I have been annoyed by ever since I was a youngster, is the way moviemakers always depict dinosaurs roaring. From early Japanese black and white TV shows, to Steven Spielberg’s Jurassic Park, to today’s docos on Discovery and N.G. They always depict them roaring fiercely and stentoriously, which is just silly.

    Since I was a child catching lizards, snakes and turtles, and visiting the crocodile part of the zoo, I’ve known that reptiles don’t roar. At best they hiss, and even then, only rarely. The reasons for this couldn’t be more obvious. In one simple sentence, I’ll sum it up:

    If you go around roaring all the time you scare away your lunch, and you soon become a bigger dinosaur's lunch.

    Now, why couldn’t all the world’s palaeontologists figure that out? At this point, as far as I know, I’m the only person with this view.
    I am sure they would have roared to scare man away and keep man from killing him. At least that is what they are teaching kids in Tezass. And that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    One thing I have been annoyed by ever since I was a youngster, is the way moviemakers always depict dinosaurs roaring. From early Japanese black and white TV shows, to Steven Spielberg’s Jurassic Park, to today’s docos on Discovery and N.G. They always depict them roaring fiercely and stentoriously, which is just silly.
    Hate to burst your bubble, but Hollywood rarely gets anything correct. They're in the entertainment business, not the "teach biology" business.

    The amount of ridiculous shit we've all seen in movies would fill a library.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, shit....you just messed up all my dinosaur fantasies.

    Do they/did they have vocal chords?
    I’m not sure if there is much evidence of this, because if they existed they were internal, and the great majority of fossils show us just the bare bones and outside of the body. So it’s one of those things we have to speculate on, unless they can rebuild a dino one day from DNA. Then we’ll know!

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Everyone who's watched old Japanese monster movies knows they roared! (Their mouths just weren't synchronized with the roaring sounds)
    Heh – this is true. Some of those old movies should be kept in the Smithsonian, under ‘comedy’.

    THE TOP 20 MOST SILLY JAPANESE SCI FI MOVIES - YouTube


    Quote Originally Posted by godlessheathen View Post
    It made for good TV but who knows. Maybe they did roar? Maybe they hissed, screeched, whistled, whatever. I'd say they made more noises than the lizards, snakes and turtles you caught during childhood though, just due to the size difference. The tiny noises that they do make could be similar to a more powerful dinosaur counterpart.



    Did Dinosaurs Roar? | Science | Smithsonian
    Hey – thanks for that link – I didn’t realize others were talking about this.

    I’m happy to concede that being as large as they were, they may have made some sounds, especially in regard to mating, or maybe (with herds of herbivores) when warning others that predators were spotted. However, it seems that certain species have very strong characteristics, and one of the things about reptiles that really stands out, is their quietness. Being quiet is very useful in terms of not telling your prey or your enemies where you are. If I was a tyrannosaurus I would creep up on my prey, then charge when close enough. I wouldn’t bellow or scream because that might attract even larger tyrannosauruses to my location, so they could steal my lunch. As for the prey, it wouldn’t scream or bellow either, lest other predators join the first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caidh Mor View Post
    A vicious lie, Steven Spielberg wouldn't deceive me like that!
    Heh heh.

    Yes, I hope palaeontologists have joined Marine biologists in their mirth over Steve’s flicks.

    Take this one, about Jaws:

    Richard Jeni on Jaws: The Revenge - YouTube

    Actually, at the 2 min, 21 sec mark, he mentions that fish don’t make any noises. Remarkable, since it is relevant to this thread. It shows that you can indeed have an entire species that is silent.

    Richard Jeni on Jaws: The Revenge - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    I am sure they would have roared to scare man away and keep man from killing him. At least that is what they are teaching kids in Tezass. And that the earth is only 6,000 years old.
    Yes.

    I hope those kids sue those teachers when they are older. Perhaps a class action.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Tater View Post
    Hate to burst your bubble, but Hollywood rarely gets anything correct. They're in the entertainment business, not the "teach biology" business.

    The amount of ridiculous shit we've all seen in movies would fill a library.
    You bet. Same over here, though our Hollyweird is even worse because it’s subsidized by the gummint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Heh heh.

    Yes, I hope palaeontologists have joined Marine biologists in their mirth over Steve’s flicks.

    Take this one, about Jaws:

    Richard Jeni on Jaws: The Revenge - YouTube

    Actually, at the 2 min, 21 sec mark, he mentions that fish don’t make any noises. Remarkable, since it is relevant to this thread. It shows that you can indeed have an entire species that is silent.

    Richard Jeni on Jaws: The Revenge - YouTube
    Next you're going to try to convince me that E.T. wasn't based on fact. I don't think I could handle it.

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